Euro Car Parks 'Parking Charge Notice'

pipsi_2

I have also just received a Parking Charge Notice from Euro Car Parks, i did not receive a ticket on my car on the date in question and this is the first time i have received anything from them. I have just drafted my appeal letter on the grounds that i was not in contravention of their rules, i was parked for around 45 mins to use the bank, visit my Dr and pick up a prescription from the pharmacy, all of these facilities are situated either within the shopping centre or in the case of the Drs Surgery, next to it. I think the rules are that you can park there for two hours max and then can't return within two hours. As i used the facilities on site and didn't over stay the allowed time, return that day or park in a disabled/parent and child space, i have no idea what the 'Failure to adhere to signage on site' could be in reference to. I was just having a quick scan of the internet for some legal wording or points i could make to back up my appeal when i came across this thread.

I hear all of the above suggestions of just ignoring the letter but i have recently received a letter from a Bailiff company for a parking charge from Newcastle County Council (they apparently lost my appeal letters despite me sending them by registered post) in that case i had parked in a space i needed to pay for, i didn't have enough change for the meter so went to get some and returned five or so mins later to find the ticket on my car. So i'm pretty scared that if i just ignore it i'll end up with a CCJ and bailiffs knocking on my door. I've decided that i'm just going to have to admit defeat as far as the Newcastle City Council fine goes because they've screwed up but there is no point in fighting it because it'll just end up costing me more money.

What happens if i send off an appeal, does that then tie me to dealing with it if they refuse to cancel the charge? What will happen if i just ignore it, it there any links that people have to websites that show i won't be taken to court or chased for the money? I appreciate that everyone seems to be advising this but i'd like to see what the law actually is and where i stand. Any advise would be gratefully received.

Coupon-mad

Don't appeal to the ECP ticket, it's just a scam and nothing will happen to you at all. not to your credit rating and not as regards bailiffs or Court. ECP don't do Court - NEVER, EVER, EVER.. They do decline 'appeals' (LOL!!) though - ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS so don't waste a stamp.

Why on earth are you comparing it to a real parking ticket from a Council? That would be like comparing the 'need' to pay a phishing email with the need to pay your Council tax!

Obviously only the latter has a real requirement to pay! Same goes for this.

So ignore the ECP ticket and the 3 letters which follow, from Control Account or CCS collect or some such twaddle (I have my letters in my handbag to show people the scam, and I can't even recall the name of the debt collector because I didn't read their letters, I laughed at them!).

As regards the Council ticket, get yourself over to pepipoo.com asap and post about it! Now! You have a letter from a bailiff and need to do something about it now! You do not have to admit defeat unless pepipoo.com tell you it's too late - and that would only be if you ignore the Order for Recovery I think. Link:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30

Start a new thread about your Council/bailiff problem asap - and don't even mention the pathetic ticket from Euro. It's rubbish, a scam, nothing at all.

Orford

Here are the Euro letters you can expect, all of which you can safely ignore:
http://www.violetmount.com/scam.jpg

There is no appeal procedure, that too is a scam


As for the Newcastle PCN, did you receive an NTO (Notice to Owner) or Charge Certificate?

muckybutt

Have a look how these systems FAIL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-542355/Judge-quashes-300-parking-fine--set-frighten-intimidate-driver.html FAIL ! :rotfl:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=47369 FAIL ! :rotfl:

pipsi_2

Orford wrote: »

Here are the Euro letters you can expect, all of which you can safely ignore:


There is no appeal procedure, that too is a scam


As for the Newcastle PCN, did you receive an NTO (Notice to Owner) or Charge Certificate?

I recevied a Notice to Owner after i sent my first appeal letter, i called them after i received the NTO and was told my appeal had not been received, i then wrote a new appeal in reference to the NTO and called a few days later to confirm they received it, the lady i spoke to acknowledged receipt, although i only have her word on the phone which i guess does not constitute as proof, i then received a further letter, i then called again and spoke to a man who said there was no record of my letters.

I then sent an email which was responded to about three and a half weeks later by letter stating that as my letters had not been received i had lost my chance to appeal and therefore had to pay the fine, it then said i would be sent some forms which i had to fill in (it didn't specifically mention they were court forms but i'm now assuming that's what they were) i never received these forms or anything else until i received the bailiffs letter. So to clarify i have not recevied any forms from the court in order to enter a defence etc.

Called the bailiffs who couldn't give me any info at all (not even the date of the contravention) and basically got really forceful in demanding i pay or the boys would be round banging on my door. They said i needed to contact Newcastle CC to discuss it as they couldn't. I sent an email to NCC on Friday evening giving them 7 days in which to respond, i plan on calling them on Monday too. I think i'm just going to have to admit defeat and pay it. I was breaking the rules when i got the ticket but i stupidly thought that as i had only just parked the car and nipped to the shop across the road for change they would look at it sympathetically and cancel the fine. If i didn't leave the car in order to get change i would have had to drive out of the city to find somewhere to park for free, get chance and then return, although i do concede that i should have made sure i had the correct change before parking, although i didn't know how much the parking would be or which coins the machine took etc.

Orford

pipsi wrote: »

I recevied a Notice to Owner after i sent my first appeal letter, i called them after i received the NTO and was told my appeal had not been received, i then wrote a new appeal in reference to the NTO and called a few days later to confirm they received it, the lady i spoke to acknowledged receipt, although i only have her word on the phone which i guess does not constitute as proof,
But you say you sent the letters by registered post. do you still have the RD receipts


i then received a further letter,


.

What did this letter say, was it a Notice of Rejection to the NTO appeal?

pipsi_2

Regarding the Euro ticket, i've spoken to a friend of a friend who is a solicitor (albeit a criminal solicitor so she doesn't deal with stuff like this). She advised me not to ignore it but write to them asking for proof that the car was parked against the 'rules', ask which rules the car had allegedly broken, and proof of the driver. She said that i do not need to admit or deny that i was the driver at the time unless they produce a photo of my actually driving the car.

I fail to see how they can do this as they issue tickets by guys walking around the car park, not via CCTV. So I'm assuming that the CCTV, if any, that covers the car park is owned by the shopping centre and is used for security purposes and they would therefore need a court order or police warrant to obtain footage from it. They may however be able to produce a photo of my car parked where it was, but as i believe i was parked within their guidelines this wouldn't help their case. Even if they did produce a picture of the car and i inadvertently broke some rule of their's, they would not be able to prove i was driving the car.

pipsi_2

Orford wrote: »

What did this letter say, was it a Notice of Rejection to the NTO appeal?

The letter i received in response to my email states;
'..... This is the first correspondence we have received from you. As we did not receive a response to the NTO a Charge Certificate was issued on xxxxxxx and the opportunity to challenge the PCN at that time came to an end.'

I do not have anything resembling a Charge Certificate with the rest of the paperwork so at the moment i'm assuming i didn't receive it but i'll have a look in the file i keep everything to do with my car (insurance stuff, MOT certs etc etc) to make sure it hasn't been filed in there by accident.

I haven't received a Notice of Rejection either probably because they are claiming that my appeal/s wasn't received in time.

The next paragraph states;
'An Order of Recovery (form TE3) has now been sent to you, and along with that we have included a Witness Statement (form TE9). If you believe that you have grounds for doing so you should complete the Witness Statement and submit it to the Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC) at Northampton County Court Bulk Centre as soon as possible.'

As mentioned in my post above i never received these forms and it is not clear if they are court forms or forms produced by the Council. Although i suspect someone in the know will be able to say if they are court forms or not. It may also be worth noting that i haven't received anything from the court to say a judgement has been entered against me, only the letter from the bailiffs stating;
'A Warrant has now been issued by Northampton County Court and passed to us.'

Surely i should have received at least something from the court? As it stands i don't have anything to demonstrate that it has actually been passed onto the court other than that sentence in the bailiffs letter.

After the last letter from the council i was waiting for the forms they told me they would send and then planned on filing them out etc etc. But i've had nothing between that letter responding to my email and the bailiffs letter. Also worth noting, the bailiffs letter is dated 09/07/10 yet i only received it on Friday and called them on Saturday morning. This also worries me because in their system it might look as if it took my 8 days to get in touch.

Coblcris

It is most certainly NOT a Notice To Owner.
Such a declaration on the paper is 'passing off'.

pipsi_2

Coblcris wrote: »

It is most certainly NOT a Notice To Owner.
Such a declaration on the paper is 'passing off'.

I have received a NTO from Newcastle CC, the letter i quoted above was the next thing i received from them, i haven't quoted the NTO, sorry if i've confused people