Government giving out £70 xmas bonuses for the unemployed.. ????

Glen0000

SingleSue wrote: »

It has to be remembered that caring for someone of any age is more full time than going to work, it is not just 9-5 but 24 hours a day including the wee hours of the morning.

Don't they go to school? My niece is very disabled (can't talk, in a wheelchair) and went to school full time and my sister had respite at the weekends too. Now she is 20 she will be moving into a home soon and will get full time care. She could have moved into a home a lot sooner but my sister choose to care for her at home.

nickmason

thermalaudio wrote: »

There is also alot of sick & disabled people that have to care for themselves because they don't seem to meet the rather select criteria that labour has for being disabled.. who cannot get this payment, who get zero support from the government either!

This is a really important point - just as there are people who get assistance who might not on balance merit it, there are those who are failed by the system.

This will always happen - probably even if we had everyone working to try and make sure that there were no mistakes or exceptions.

Nobody likes to think of it as such, but this is risk management; just as aircraft manufacturers know that they will have disasters, as hospitals accept that they can't cure everyone, even as banks know that their models will go wrong.

Accepting that you can't get it right all of the time and that it is bad policy to try and micromanage out all of the anomalies is a brutal but necessary political act.

And the more that the state tries to manage all of this, the more it destroys the fabric of community and voluntary networks that are the real safety net.

Generali

ianian99 wrote: »

Good idea. I have been thinking of buying some land and planting a forrest.
Why? Dunno really,seems like sometjing a bit different to leave to my son when I pop my clogs.
Do you need planning permission to BUILD a forrest?

In Aus it depends on the trees you plan to build.

In the UK you probably need planning permission which will be turned down because the bloke living next door thinks hat planting a few dozen trees is a prelude to building a Tesco, an fc123 superstore and a thousand houses.

hamstercheeks_2

thermalaudio wrote: »

I think Fat Gordon has gone mad.. the UK benefits system is totally corrupt, trying to 'supposedly' get people back into work, moreso those that feel they shouldn't have to work.. then New Labour willingly hands out a free non returnable £10 xmas bonus alongside a £60 new year bonus.. which doesn't affect benefits & doesn't have to be paid back either..

1.86 million unemployed as of December 2008..

1086000 x £70.00 = £76 million plus of more wasted taxpayers money..

Direct.Gov.UK

I alongside many others have seen no xmas bonuses this year & i've worked damn hard right the way through.. disgusted in labour government

not going to read all this thread just yet another thing to make my blood boil

tis a joke

SingleSue

Glen0000 wrote: »

Don't they go to school? My niece is very disabled (can't talk, in a wheelchair) and went to school full time and my sister had respite at the weekends too. Now she is 20 she will be moving into a home soon and will get full time care. She could have moved into a home a lot sooner but my sister choose to care for her at home.

Yes they do but some weeks/months I may as well live at their schools for the amount of time I spend there.

Or of course there are the appointments they have to go to..hospitals seem to like to do during school hours appointments.

For a very long time, I had my middle son at home as he was not in the official school system due to him being excluded from his previous school (they could not cope with him) and the education department being unable to find him a school that would suit...he needed to be ferried to 3 different tutors a day which meant after travel, I had the enormous time of about 15-20 mins free between each tutor session...some days there was no tutors.

My youngest son didn't go full time until around 18 months ago, despite being full time school age 6 years ago (he will be 11 in March) as he (and the school) couldn't cope with it all (not excluded but they were trying to move him mainstream)...it took a blooming long time to build up to 5 days a week with adding an extra afternoon or morning in a term, unfortunately his home time didn't coincide with his elder brothers so I always had one child at home and sometimes both of them.

I don't receive respite care for them, I used to pay a childminder to have them for 3 hours a week but she had a breakdown and since then, I have not been able to source another. I did try the social services route for respite but they had the same problem I had....no booger would have them! :rotfl:

In school holidays, I can't even make appointments to see a doctor for myself, no matter how ill I am - I have to muddle through until they go back to school and then hope against hope that I don't get a phone call just before the appointment is due.

Ex husband is no help at all, he saw them for the first time since May a couple of weeks ago and he had them for the grand total of 3 hours....I received several phone calls in the time he had them for advice on what to do with them so I couldn't even relax then.

As a carer, you can never switch off from that role even when they are away...you just never know when the phone will ring and you will be expected to drop everything straight away to attend.

thermalaudio

hamstercheeks wrote: »

not going to read all this thread just yet another thing to make my blood boil

tis a joke

If you didnt plan on reading it.. then what was your point in quoting on it!! another timewaster clearly.. if you have a clear point on the matter then respond.. if you don't why slag off people for posting stuff!! we're all entitled to a view and that was mine alongwith the one below it.. yours was not a view..merely slagging me off for posting my own view

hamstercheeks_2

thermalaudio wrote: »

If you didnt plan on reading it.. then what was your point in quoting on it!! another timewaster clearly.. if you have a clear point on the matter then respond.. if you don't why slag off people for posting stuff!! we're all entitled to a view and that was mine alongwith the one below it.. yours was not a view..merely slagging me off for posting my own view

i wasn't slagging you off - if you notice i thanked you for the post. i'm just fed up of hearing that those on benefits get more and more and life gets easier for them, whilst it gets harder for the workers amongst us

that's all i meant
i wasn't slaggin you off

EmRayMarRhys

SingleSue wrote: »

You don't always receive DLA for disabilities....two of mine are disabled but only one has DLA.

It has to be remembered that caring for someone of any age is more full time than going to work, it is not just 9-5 but 24 hours a day including the wee hours of the morning.

People with disabled children (or parents, siblings etc) didn't ask for them to be disabled but they have to cope with it as best they can... in a lot of cases, the DLA cannot be classed as income to be spent as you like, it has to go towards paying for their care be it special food, therapies, equipment, hospital travel or respite care for a break.

Plus it makes working extremely difficult if not impossible for some. I combined it for some time but then I had a husband here who could take on the childcare in the evening, unfortunately, he is no longer here and childcare provision for a special need child is not so easy to find although I never give up hope of one day finding that special person willing to take my children on so I can return to my old job and not be forced to find something that will fit into the care needs of my children (term based employment which every stay at home parent tries to get).

Having disabled children has taken me to the edge and back mentally and physically, I had a breakdown because of it, I have a completely boogered right wrist because of it, my back will never be the same and my social life is zip and at present, there is no hope of me finding another someone special as my life revolves around the children and their care.

So it is not just a case of collecting the money and saying "booger society", nope, it is hard slog, the hardest you can imagine, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year..year after year after year with no end in sight.

Plus my husband DOES work so most of those benefits we aren't entitled to. DLA is nowhere near £113.75 each and what they do get (varying levels for each child and the youngest not yet eligible) goes on specialist equipment, therapies and wear and tear on domestic appliances that are in constant us. We get a little extra CTC and carers allowance and obviously the Child Benefit that every parent is entitled to. We don't just sit at home and collect money handouts, my husband does earn. We'd be better off if I could work but with my three I just can't do it. Even if I could get childcare to enable me to work the numerous hospital appointments would prohibit it - I can't see any employer allowing me random time off multiple times a week for hospital and therapies appointments.

Only one of my children goes to school, the other are preschool age. Plus the fact that respite in this area is so overstretched I don't really have a snowball in hell's chance of my kids being accepted for it as yet. I can go on the waiting list of course but that is averaging two years plus. Support services are non existent.

Cleaver

Andys1 wrote: »

Bummer, I'm not in any of those categories.

Well thank your lucky stars then.

Cleaver

hamstercheeks wrote: »

i wasn't slagging you off - if you notice i thanked you for the post. i'm just fed up of hearing that those on benefits get more and more and life gets easier for them, whilst it gets harder for the workers amongst us

Do you really think life is 'getting easier' for full time carers, war widows and people with severe disabilities?

I'd be the last person to say that our benefit system is perfect but only a very,very small percentage of people receiving this payment will the chavvy, workshy, scum you're imagining.