Stopping a teen from accessing the internet???

leosayer39

zee wrote: »

leosayer39........any teen with ''savy'' will be able to work round parents ,as a parent of 6 , have found that if brought up well by parents ,no bother ,all teenagers are ''curious'' think back when you were given your first dictionary ,the words you looked up ,to err is human and curious kids are part of parenthood , one word works TRUST ,domineer and you will fail , all best.

Agreed, but he has given us very good reasons, in the not so distant past, not to 'trust'.

I certainly do not intend to domineer, and believe me, I won't fail either.

Leo

marleyboy

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Imagine how your children would feel if they knew that their own mother trusted them so little, she even resorted to spying on everything they did?

People died for the right not to have the State spying on everything they did - do you honestly believe that it's in any way appropriate for you to spy on everything they do? What next, will you fit them with a tracking device and a microphone so that you can further spy on absolutely everything they do?

And to be honest, every minute spent looking at logs is a minute less with your children. You know, the ones you talk about protecting..

How dare you judge another's morals on how they "PROTECT" their children, are you the type of parent who should some paedophile groom your kids, will simply say, "Well how was I supposed to know, I cant watch them 24 hours a day you know."? There's a BIG difference between being a good and responsible parent, to being a bad and ignorant "turn a blind eye to it" parent.

'No it isn't nice to be judged on your own morals is it?'

If they want to ensure their kids are safe, whether its tracking devices or microphones (I know it sounds ridiculous, but they are your words), whatever it takes to ensure their Child's safety, takes paramount and is a million miles away from spying on your kids.

I monitored my kids internet activities when they were younger, NOT because I don't trust them, but because I don't trust what is out there. If that makes me a Spy:rolleyes: then I am proud of it. As are my protected and looked after kids!

aliEnRIK

I personally know someone whos child was being 'groomed' on the net aged 11 (at the time)
I would do everything....EVERYTHING.....that was needed to make sure this wasnt happening.
(It was through MSN by the way)

PolishBigSpender

marleyboy wrote: »

How dare you judge another's morals on how they "PROTECT" their children, are you the type of parent who should some paedophile groom your kids, will simply say, "Well how was I supposed to know, I cant watch them 24 hours a day you know."? There's a BIG difference between being a good and responsible parent, to being a bad and ignorant "turn a blind eye to it" parent.

Perhaps educating the children is a start? You know, actually spending some time with them, explaining why they shouldn't give out personal details, showing them news reports/stories about such dangers and so on. Again, a good, responsible parent will take the time. A bad parent will simply install keyloggers and then sit back and snoop on everything they do, rather than, you know...spending time with their children.

Anyway, if any child of mine was stupid enough to be groomed by a paedophile, I'd have failed as a parent. End of story - what kind of well brought up child would meet a '13 year old boy' in a hotel room, for instance? Likewise with sending pictures of oneself in a state of undress - if my child did such a thing, I'd feel that I was a failure as a parent.

If they want to ensure their kids are safe, whether its tracking devices or microphones (I know it sounds ridiculous, but they are your words), whatever it takes to ensure their Child's safety, takes paramount and is a million miles away from spying on your kids.

Whatever it takes? So they hold their hand to take them to school, sit in all the classes (children can be horrible to each other, you know!) and because precious needs protecting, even sit her exams for her in case she gets a nasty question?

Installing keyloggers is nothing short of spying on your children. If you're that worried, take the time and set their computer up properly so that only trusted sites can be accessed. But wait, again, that might involve spending time with the children.

I monitored my kids internet activities when they were younger, NOT because I don't trust them, but because I don't trust what is out there. If that makes me a Spy:rolleyes: then I am proud of it. As are my protected and looked after kids!

Protected and looked after? So...do you actually let them do anything dangerous, such as walking to the school by themselves or play in the local park? Do you insist that they fill out risk assessments for every activity, replicated four times?

This paranoia in the UK is the exact reason that children are so unhappy. I'd certainly never raise children there - not only is the government watching your every move, but your own family too!

aliEnRIK

I personally know someone whos child was being 'groomed' on the net aged 11 (at the time)
I would do everything....EVERYTHING.....that was needed to make sure this wasnt happening.
(It was through MSN by the way)[/quote]

Simple solution - don't allow the use of MSN until the child is savvy enough to identify such people.

leosayer39

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Perhaps educating the children is a start? You know, actually spending some time with them, explaining why they shouldn't give out personal details, showing them news reports/stories about such dangers and so on. Again, a good, responsible parent will take the time. A bad parent will simply install keyloggers and then sit back and snoop on everything they do, rather than, you know...spending time with their children.

You cannot call someone you don't know a bad parent, just because they install keyloggers on their kids lappys.
You have no idea as to someones personal home circumstances.

Anyway, if any child of mine was stupid enough to be groomed by a paedophile, I'd have failed as a parent. End of story - what kind of well brought up child would meet a '13 year old boy' in a hotel room, for instance? Likewise with sending pictures of oneself in a state of undress - if my child did such a thing, I'd feel that I was a failure as a parent.

So would we....but hey it happens, and not just as a one off, if you read the papers and listen to the news on the radio and TV

Whatever it takes? So they hold their hand to take them to school, sit in all the classes (children can be horrible to each other, you know!) and because precious needs protecting, even sit her exams for her in case she gets a nasty question?

Installing keyloggers is nothing short of spying on your children. If you're that worried, take the time and set their computer up properly so that only trusted sites can be accessed. But wait, again, that might involve spending time with the children.

Spying?....yes it is...but so what? Not my course of action but I understand why some people feel that it has to be done

Protected and looked after? So...do you actually let them do anything dangerous, such as walking to the school by themselves or play in the local park? Do you insist that they fill out risk assessments for every activity, replicated four times?

Their schools do!
Companies who participate in activity days do!
It appears quite the norm these days.

This paranoia in the UK is the exact reason that children are so unhappy. I'd certainly never raise children there - not only is the government watching your every move, but your own family too!

I personally know someone whos child was being 'groomed' on the net aged 11 (at the time)
I would do everything....EVERYTHING.....that was needed to make sure this wasnt happening.
(It was through MSN by the way)

Simple solution - don't allow the use of MSN until the child is savvy enough to identify such people.[/quote]

I agree with you here although I would simply block all internet access as it's far easier.

Leo

aliEnRIK

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

I personally know someone whos child was being 'groomed' on the net aged 11 (at the time)
I would do everything....EVERYTHING.....that was needed to make sure this wasnt happening.
(It was through MSN by the way)

Simple solution - don't allow the use of MSN until the child is savvy enough to identify such people.[/quote]

Might I ask HOW you would achieve that? The whole point of this thread is to 'monitor' use. The child could 'EASILY' use msn through a variety of ways (I know of at least 3 'other' ways myself)
The solution might 'sound' simple. In practice, its not THAT easy (If your childs pretty pc savvy)
(Im talking more to the people on here that are NOT computer savvy now)

PolishBigSpender

aliEnRIK wrote: »

Might I ask HOW you would achieve that? The whole point of this thread is to 'monitor' use. The child could 'EASILY' use msn through a variety of ways (I know of at least 3 'other' ways myself)
The solution might 'sound' simple. In practice, its not THAT easy (If your childs pretty pc savvy)
(Im talking more to the people on here that are NOT computer savvy now)

If you're not computer savvy, why would you allow the child the use of the internet unsupervised in the first place? If the whole aim is to protect your child - then you shouldn't allow them access to anything that you don't know is personally safe. Of course, the more rational parents realise that education is the way forward, particularly concerning online safety.

As for your 'other' ways - there's two ways, web based and software based. Web based is simple, because there's not many sites offering web MSN services and thus can be easily blocked with a bit of research. Software is also easy, as you can set the user account up in Windows to not allow the installation of any software.

If a parent isn't tech-savvy enough to implement such solutions - then the solution is to not allow unsupervised access. It really is that simple - but of course, supervising a child's internet access might take away the parent's MSE time!

The reality is that spying on a child is a dreadful thing to do, it shows a complete lack of trust in a child. If you're concerned, be proactive, spend time with your children and make sure that they understand entirely. It might take some doing, you might have to implement software/hardware blocks like Leo is doing - but there's absolutely no need to spend time, valuable time that you could spend with your children - looking over logs of what they've been doing online.

Of course, if the children are aware that there is a keylogged installed on the computer - then there's no problem. Honesty and transparency is what any successful relationship is built upon - and let's be honest, it would probably achieve more telling the children that they're being spied on without actually installing the keylogger.

aliEnRIK

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

If you're not computer savvy, why would you allow the child the use of the internet unsupervised in the first place? If the whole aim is to protect your child - then you shouldn't allow them access to anything that you don't know is personally safe. Of course, the more rational parents realise that education is the way forward, particularly concerning online safety.

As for your 'other' ways - there's two ways, web based and software based. Web based is simple, because there's not many sites offering web MSN services and thus can be easily blocked with a bit of research. Software is also easy, as you can set the user account up in Windows to not allow the installation of any software.

If a parent isn't tech-savvy enough to implement such solutions - then the solution is to not allow unsupervised access. It really is that simple - but of course, supervising a child's internet access might take away the parent's MSE time!

So if the parent isnt computer savvy your saying they should 'never' allow their child on the internet? Surely thats at detriment to the childs learning abilities as EVERYTHING is computer based these days.

spud17

EVERYTHING is computer based these days.

Whilst the concrete batching plant and the tower crane have computers, I can't recall one helping to pour the retaining wall last Tuesday.

aliEnRIK

spud17 wrote: »

Whilst the concrete batching plant and the tower crane have computers, I can't recall one helping to pour the retaining wall last Tuesday.

You know where im comin from spud. ALL children just get as much computer experience as possible so they have a much better chance in this computer age. We use computers at work for just about everything (And im not even in IT)