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Uk Parking Control Ltd
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Nope.
1. Its not a fine, its a speculative invoice relating to a (purported) breach of contract.
2. There was a law change in Oct, not August. This law change meant that under certain criteria a private parking company may pursue a registered keeper for any charges that would have been liable to the driver. In the case of most private tickets, nothing was liable to the driver in the first place so nothing has changed.
3. Being a member of the BPA carries no legal weight at all. Its just a private members club for parking companies.
4. CCJs are obtained in the same way now as they always were. It needs a court claim, a win for the PPC, and then you still refuse to pay up. None of this will happen so the CCJ is not going to happen either.
5. Same goes for Credit Ratings. The only way someone's credit rating can be affected - other than defaulting on a credit or loan agreement - is via a successful court claim. Which isn't going to happen.
HOWEVER... it will be your brother who will receive all the hollow legally meaningless threatening letters from the parking company. If he's OK with this then fine, but if not, then YOU could appeal the ticket now, stating you were driving (but don't give them any more details than that) and then they have to send the letters to you.
And the YOU can ignore them.
Thats great advice. Thanks0 -
Nope.
1. Its not a fine, its a speculative invoice relating to a (purported) breach of contract.
2. There was a law change in Oct, not August. This law change meant that under certain criteria a private parking company may pursue a registered keeper for any charges that would have been liable to the driver. In the case of most private tickets, nothing was liable to the driver in the first place so nothing has changed.
3. Being a member of the BPA carries no legal weight at all. Its just a private members club for parking companies.
4. CCJs are obtained in the same way now as they always were. It needs a court claim, a win for the PPC, and then you still refuse to pay up. None of this will happen so the CCJ is not going to happen either.
5. Same goes for Credit Ratings. The only way someone's credit rating can be affected - other than defaulting on a credit or loan agreement - is via a successful court claim. Which isn't going to happen.
HOWEVER... it will be your brother who will receive all the hollow legally meaningless threatening letters from the parking company. If he's OK with this then fine, but if not, then YOU could appeal the ticket now, stating you were driving (but don't give them any more details than that) and then they have to send the letters to you.
And the YOU can ignore them.
Also, and sorry to sound rude, but how do you know these are the facts?
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sullysteve wrote: »Also, and sorry to sound rude, but how do you know these are the facts?
Because pofa 2012 has been discussed for at least two years, private parking rely on contract law and not on legislation like councils or the police use. And the only way this can have any affect on your credit rating is for it to go to court, they win the case and you fail to make payment within 28 days. This is a matter of public fact.When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
:beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:0 -
sullysteve wrote: »Also, and sorry to sound rude, but how do you know these are the facts?
As mentioned, we have been talking about this for two years. When the Bill was first put forward we scrutinised it and have done ever since it became law in October. And we were not the only forum to come to the same conclusion, that it was all smoke and mirrors with the best bit being the criminalisation of private clamping/towing. So the law was a good thing in that way, but the PPCs have hijacked it as we knew they would, to make out it is something it isn't.
Obviously the BPA has sent a press release to the AA!
Here is my recent thread on this because everyone asks 'what about the new law':
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4360185
We know that these tickets are unenforceable per se, and nothing in the POF Act has changed that. For a similar view elsewhere, here's pepipoo forums' summary of the legalities including the changes in the POF Act:
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=46975
''You should be aware that the Protection of Freedoms Act doesn't affect the legal position regarding enforceability of these tickets in any way.''
IF YOU ARE READING THIS ANCIENT OLD THREAD AFTER 2013 - WHY WHY WHY?
IT IS ANCIENT, A FORUM'S PAGE ONE IS ONLY EVER ONE CLICK AWAY FROM ANY THREAD. THINGS CHANGE, ADVICE CHANGES, DO NOT READ OLD FORUM THREADS, EVER, ON ANY SUBJECT IF LOOKING FOR IMPORTANT ADVICE ON MONEY MATTERS.
see my signature below (the black writing) for where to click in the above breadcrumb trail (LITTLE BLUE LINK) to hop ONE CLICK to page one and read the top threads of CURRENT advice on private parking tickets.
STOP READING THIS OLD THREAD. This thread was form 2008 originally!!!!!!!!
STOP! COME ON YOU'VE JUST READ THE LAW CHANGED IN 2012 SO GET OFF A 2008 THREAD AND GO TO PAGE ONE OF THE FORUM!PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD0 -
Nope.
1. Its not a fine, its a speculative invoice relating to a (purported) breach of contract.
2. There was a law change in Oct, not August. This law change meant that under certain criteria a private parking company may pursue a registered keeper for any charges that would have been liable to the driver. In the case of most private tickets, nothing was liable to the driver in the first place so nothing has changed.
3. Being a member of the BPA carries no legal weight at all. Its just a private members club for parking companies.
4. CCJs are obtained in the same way now as they always were. It needs a court claim, a win for the PPC, and then you still refuse to pay up. None of this will happen so the CCJ is not going to happen either.
5. Same goes for Credit Ratings. The only way someone's credit rating can be affected - other than defaulting on a credit or loan agreement - is via a successful court claim. Which isn't going to happen.
HOWEVER... it will be your brother who will receive all the hollow legally meaningless threatening letters from the parking company. If he's OK with this then fine, but if not, then YOU could appeal the ticket now, stating you were driving (but don't give them any more details than that) and then they have to send the letters to you.
And the YOU can ignore them.
Thanks guys for all your help.....i will turn my back on these tickets now. Thanks0 -
Hi all, I got a ticket from UKPC after parking for 30 minutes in Aylesbury shopping centre. My hire car had been giving trouble so I let it sit while I went and got a quick bite to eat. The ticket was on the screen when I got back. The first 2 hours are free but you have to display a ticket, I missed that bit. I did try to appeal to UKPC but as always they don't do appeals and proceeded to up the fine if not paid within 10 days. After reading many of the posts on this site I decided not to pay and sent the below letter to them. Not heard a word since. They may have changed their tactics since then but the principle remains the same.
I am disappointed that you have declined to cancel the “charge” and I have taken legal advice as to whether this fine is enforceable by UKPC.
Advice is that it is the car park owner and not its agents that has any legal authority to enforce payment of the fine, and only then if the car park owner has lost financially as a result of my not displaying a ticket in my car. As I was only in the car park for about 30 minutes in total and the first 2 hours parking is free, any financial loss would be difficult to prove by the car park owner.
In these circumstances, and as I do not believe the fine is warranted for the reasons stated in my letter, I do not intend to pay this fine.
Any further action by UKPC in this regard will be regarded as harassment under the terms of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. I am copying this letter, together with my letter of appeal to the car park owners.0 -
A nice letter. Yes, they've probably seen sense after receiving that.
You never know though! We're not dealing with rocket scientists here!Je Suis Cecil.0 -
They will turn that down flat, they want your money and everytime you contact them they think that they have a chance of payment. It's good you are writing to the landowner though, as they would be the ones responible for the actions of these clowns!
And by the way it's not a fine or penalty, just a lousy invoice requesting or begging to be paid.When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
:beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:0 -
parkingpeople wrote: »FYI - A large batch of Court Summons (Claims) for various unpaid Parking Charges have been issued by us today.
I see that you still breaking forum and BPA rules by not declaring your company name. Why is that?What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?0 -
parkingpeople wrote: »FYI - A large batch of Court Summons (Claims) for various unpaid Parking Charges have been issued by us today.
ORIGINAL MORTGAGE AMOUNT £106,454.00 (Started Sept 2007)
NOV 2021 O/S AMOUNT £1,694.41 OUR DEBT REDUCED BY £104,759.59 by std regular, over-payments & off-setting.
BofE +0.19% Tracker Repayment Offset Mortgage Discounted Sept 07-10 then increased to BofE +0.62% until 20270
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