Incapacity Assessment

Joopin

Blimmey what a post!
Im horrified that freebie-junlie felt that she had to justify her benefit claim by having to post something so personel to a complete stranger. Freebie-junkie I wish you every luck in your recovery from your illness. I have no idea how you cope but Im sure every litttle step is a major milestone towards a better life. Dont let daft people on here bring you down.
There will aways be people who feel they have all the answers and can spot a blagger at 10 paces. The DWP rely on the same principle with the incap points test. Ive know people who were very severly disabled but could not get enough points to claim IB without a bloody hard fight. The test is very rigid at times. The medical services doctors who run the test do thier best to catch people out ( Ive know doctors to drop a pen and request the claaimant to pick it up to test one of the discriptor- no thought to the pain the person is in or the fact that they might be holed up in bed for a week as a result!).
I honestly feel that its a case of there but for the grace of God go I.
I would love to see everyone on benefit given a chance to work if it was suitable. By that I mean with lots of support, and no threat to thier benefit if it doesnt work out. Often once you are off the books nobody cares and claiming again is tough. I think that this is one of the main reasons people dont give employment a chance. After the isolation of unemployment its very hard to get back into the swing of things. I know I found it hard after taking time off to have my son to go back into work. I was terrified. But Im able bodied and have a great family support system. If you are disabled then take that anxiety and times it by 100.
I think saying people who claim benefits are blagging removes the need to actually give those people who need it a proper support system and lets us all of the hook.

krisskross

Joopin wrote:

. The DWP rely on the same principle with the incap points test. Ive know people who were very severly disabled but could not get enough points to claim IB without a bloody hard fight. The test is very rigid at times. The medical services doctors who run the test do thier best to catch people out ( Ive know doctors to drop a pen and request the claaimant to pick it up to test one of the discriptor- no thought to the pain the person is in or the fact that they might be holed up in bed for a week as a result!).
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So are you suggesting that all claimants are taken at face value? That the medics are not allowed to question either the existence or reported severity of symptoms claimed?

It is estimated that £7billion is fraudulently claimed in benefits, I do expect DWP to attempt to stop false claims.

Asking someone to pick up a dropped pen?? The person will either do it or say they can't!

Yes if you are genuinely too ill or disabled to work then the country has a great safety net, and as a country I think we are rightly proud of it

freebie_junkie

Joopin wrote:

Blimmey what a post!
Im horrified that freebie-junlie felt that she had to justify her benefit claim by having to post something so personel to a complete stranger. Freebie-junkie I wish you every luck in your recovery from your illness. I have no idea how you cope but Im sure every litttle step is a major milestone towards a better life. Dont let daft people on here bring you down.
There will aways be people who feel they have all the answers and can spot a blagger at 10 paces. The DWP rely on the same principle with the incap points test. Ive know people who were very severly disabled but could not get enough points to claim IB without a bloody hard fight. The test is very rigid at times. The medical services doctors who run the test do thier best to catch people out ( Ive know doctors to drop a pen and request the claaimant to pick it up to test one of the discriptor- no thought to the pain the person is in or the fact that they might be holed up in bed for a week as a result!).
I honestly feel that its a case of there but for the grace of God go I.
I would love to see everyone on benefit given a chance to work if it was suitable. By that I mean with lots of support, and no threat to thier benefit if it doesnt work out. Often once you are off the books nobody cares and claiming again is tough. I think that this is one of the main reasons people dont give employment a chance. After the isolation of unemployment its very hard to get back into the swing of things. I know I found it hard after taking time off to have my son to go back into work. I was terrified. But Im able bodied and have a great family support system. If you are disabled then take that anxiety and times it by 100.
I think saying people who claim benefits are blagging removes the need to actually give those people who need it a proper support system and lets us all of the hook.

thanx ive kinda stopped obsessing about what they said now but ive been doing my OH's head in all week imagining someone knovking on teh door or something! im just gonna try and focus on something else i think before it sends me totally do-lally!

freebie_junkie

p.s. im sure ill be posting on here again come summer when im gonna try and be well enough for working in some capacity. i hope that the disability advisor will be able to find me a job that i can do properly without letting teh boss down or making myself iller again. i cant wait to be back working. when youre at home you miss having loads of friends and peopel to talk to, its very isolating.

well donr you for going back into the work place!

Miroslav

krisskross wrote:

Miroslav I am happy you got the result you wanted from your assessment but must take issue with you on the asylum seekers payments.

http://www.oxfamgb.org/ukpp/safe/myths3.htm

Please be more charitable...you have been feeling almost persecuted about your sickness claim.....perhaps you can realise how these truly persecuted desperate people feel.

I know there will be false claimants among them but should we be then dismissing them all?

We are told there is £7billion a year lost in benefit fraud so are all benefit claimants fraudsters?

Please note, I am not British originally, but I am a British citizen. I have put much money into the system over the years.

And I did not say all assylum seekers, I said cut the spending, not stop it, just like the benefits, target the real criminals and help those who want to get back to work, not tarnish us all with the same brush. Not all of us on benefits are the scum we are portrayed as.

You didn't comment on the criminals point I made? I understand some smackheads around my area get over £100 extra p/w than myself.......because they need extra to feed their habit......shall I be more charitable to them as well?

Maybe I should give up my benefit to them?

Miroslav

krisskross wrote:

I stuck it out until I was 59 then retired on a half decent pesion.

£56 a week?? Where does that come from? My husband claimed Incapacity benefit and the weekly amount was a lot nearer £80. He would also have been a shoo in for DLA, both components, which no doubt would have increased his income considerably but he didn't want to claim.
We were not entitled to help with housing costs I don't think because I was working full time, but if needed that would take the amount to an income well above £56.

You must be signed off for 26 weeks before you get £80+. Initially it's £56 p/w

Miroslav

D&DD wrote:

:T Glad to hear your news Miroslav.I am pleased for you.The system does seem to work sometimes!! I still think its unfair as it seems people like yourself with nothing to hide are the ones involved in the witchunt.
Freebie I'm actually a Daily Mail reader LOL...I have read some of the best pieces to do with my sons disabilities in there too,it's not all bad.One of their writers has a profoundly disabled child (Sam Metcalfe think her name is) and she writes superbly.Actually brought me to tears one piece she wrote.To whoever wrote it I actually live on one of those 'scuzzy sink estates' too..not through choice we lost our home due to our sons disabilities...I couldn't continue working (I earned more than hubby)and there was no help available to us back then,please don't tar us all with the same brush! Some of us are law abiding decent souls.In fact our estate has one of THE worst names but a good chunk of the people on here are lovely,we can leave our doors open,windows unlocked,you always have someone to share a problem with and there is always someone who will help you out.When I had my last child came home to dinner cooked by a kind neighbour,boys all bathed and fed..When I had chickenpox,friends from the school took the kids in.It's not always as bad as people say.We still have the 'feral youths' and drugs problems but doesn't everyone everywhere??

I'm not sure it's the system that works, or whether I was lucky this time.

I still don't know how a Doctor you've never met, can make a decision based on about a dozen questions.

I too live on a rough estate, full of druggies and unemployed people. People often see my address and then look at me funny. Difference is, I get very little money and I am trying to pace myself back to work, whereas a great deal of people around my area will never find work.

Like you say about your estate, their are some decent people on the estate, I can't say I know any of them well enough for them to do me favours, in fact I doubt any of them know my name (Tell a lie, 2 do, as I used to work with them) but they seem decent enough folk.

We don't leave our doors open though

Miroslav

freebie_junkie wrote:

thanx ive kinda stopped obsessing about what they said now but ive been doing my OH's head in all week imagining someone knovking on teh door or something! im just gonna try and focus on something else i think before it sends me totally do-lally!

Do some excercise to cool off >>> :j :j :j



Luckily, people don't question me face to face, I'm 6'9 and before my illness was into body building, and apparently I look mean :rotfl:

Although I'm a gentle giant to people who know me well........just don't make me angry :rotfl:

I think that goes against me, because people can't see a weakness, but my life has been littered with 'events' that make me depressed, and it came to a point where I had to take some time out, or i'd end up ripping everyone into pieces, because they were really getting to me.

Hope you are okay now

krisskross

Miroslav wrote:

You didn't comment on the criminals point I made? I understand some smackheads around my area get over £100 extra p/w than myself.......because they need extra to feed their habit......shall I be more charitable to them as well?

Maybe I should give up my benefit to them?

I think this may be hearsay. You complain that some of us do not believe all sickness benefit claimants then you post something like this? You are just as prejudiced in your way.
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Miroslav

krisskross wrote:

I think this may be hearsay. You complain that some of us do not believe all sickness benefit claimants then you post something like this? You are just as prejudiced in your way.
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It's not hearsay, I was told my somebody who works in the benefits agency (who probably should not have told me) that they get extra money towards getting them off the substance and back to work, however they get it into their benefit, rather than the help they get, and it is massaged as another payment.