Incapacity Assessment

ianian99

nogginthenog wrote:

DO you really believe doctors are that naive that they write sick notes willy nilly to anybody.

noggin.

Er YES, especially in the inner cities and up north where there is massive unemployment

ianian99

MrSmartprice wrote:

You should take no notice of idiots like him. Reading his posts, he seems to live in some scuzzy sink estate where everyone is blagging, robbing and assaulting everyone else. If he lives among the lowest of the low, that's probably because that's his spiritual home. Regrettably much of Britain has sunk to this level and we should be grateful if we still live in a civilised part of the country.

Not at all mrsmartpric I dont live in some scuzzy sink estate , please do tell me where you get that stupid idea from, certainly not from my posts, perhaps you should read them before trying to comment on them.
Even if I did live on an estate would that make me a scumbag? are you saying that everone who lives in a housing estate is a scumbag and the lowest of the low? Not a very nice thing to say, shows your level straight off mate, just because you have a mortgage doesn't make you better than people that have to live in these areas
I live in an area where the average hose price is £200k + and I pay £700 per month rent. However last year through an illegal eviction I was homeless and found myself on the streets and during that time I sunk into serious depression etc so dont say i cant comment on illness, especially mental illness. You don't know what my health or mental state is, as far as you know I could be suffering from severe depression, paranoia, agraphobia and panic attacks and stay at home all day on the pc earning money instead of claiming benefits. Just because i dont have blinkers on my eyes and see whats going on around me doesn't make me a scumbag and because I think that someone who can sit on a pc all day at home and can spend all day going round the shops looking for bargains then selling them on ebay is capable of working, especially when they say themselves "I DONT REALLY LIKE TOUCHING STUFF" doesn't make me a scumbag either. If you lie at ba interviews then you are a blagger!! plain and simple
Also advising people to stay up all night and not eating is advising people to blag, trully ill people do not need to do this do they and if they do they are BLAGGERS

nogginthenog

NO telling people to show the doctor at your worst is not blagging just prudent, you are not going to be your best after a days work, so you should show the medical practitioner how you fare with stress and the effort.
THERE is no brownie points for death.

ianian99

Telling people to stay up all night and not to eat IS blagging, if you are up all night and cant eat due to your illness is NOT blagging. Don't you see the difference.

krisskross

donnalove wrote:

well to start with cut bigwigs salary's they don't need um.

the ib figures also include people who are severly mentally and physically disabled that they cant even move, they go straight on this when they are between 16-19 at the high rate. i'd estimate they would take up about 10% or more of the totals.

believe it or not my friend has a severly disabled son 17 next month and last year they had to take him to the job centre to be assessed he is totally brain damaged.

sometimes i wander what this country is coming to, theres a lot i could say but i won't.[/QUOTE

The actual percentage of incapacity benefits claimants with mental health problems was 39% or more than 1 million last year.

krisskross

nogginthenog wrote:

NO telling people to show the doctor at your worst is not blagging just prudent, you are not going to be your best after a days work, so you should show the medical practitioner how you fare with stress and the effort.
THERE is no brownie points for death.

None of us are at our best after a days work. I used to do 12 hour night shifts and actually had to sit down and relax for half an hour before I could face the journey home, think if I had been assessed then perhaps I wouldn't have been thought fit to work.

missile

ianian99 wrote:

I think the reason that the interviewers seem to be C**** is because they are getting blagged day in and day out by people that are quite fit to work. I think that the new labour plans are a great idea IF it managed to get all the blaggers off the sick but i think all it will do is get the genuine sick people off benefits as these are the people that are less likely to blag them (and I include staying up all night and not eating etc blagging)
Anyway what percentage of the people claiming sick benefit REALLY CANT work? Very small percentage I would say.
Also if people can manage to sit on their pc all day posting messages and looking for bargains and then heading round boots etc for the double points in my opinion are fit for work, even work from home.
put it this way if their benefits stopped what would they do? They'd have to find work wouldn't they?

Seems like you have little knowledge and even less sympathy for the real suffering some people have to endure.

nogginthenog

krisskross wrote:

None of us are at our best after a days work. I used to do 12 hour night shifts and actually had to sit down and relax for half an hour before I could face the journey home, think if I had been assessed then perhaps I wouldn't have been thought fit to work.

Yes of course if you feel ill after a days work, go to the doctors, its only prudent,and if the doctor says you are ill he will give you the appropriate advice and you too can claim your £56 per week.
I myself worked 10years 12 hours nights/days solid and that is one of the reasons i am disabled now.
in all that time i never even looked at a tv screen (not even on my one day off) this is illegal now under the E.E. work/time directive
BE very careful the average life expectancy for shift workers is little over 60 years,you would not want to get ill now and live on a pitance (would you.)
I started work at 14 on the trawler's and worked till i was 45 i have no problem claiming mY IB.

freebie_junkie

ianian99 wrote:

Not at all mrsmartpric I dont live in some scuzzy sink estate , please do tell me where you get that stupid idea from, certainly not from my posts, perhaps you should read them before trying to comment on them.
Even if I did live on an estate would that make me a scumbag? are you saying that everone who lives in a housing estate is a scumbag and the lowest of the low? Not a very nice thing to say, shows your level straight off mate, just because you have a mortgage doesn't make you better than people that have to live in these areas
I live in an area where the average hose price is £200k + and I pay £700 per month rent. However last year through an illegal eviction I was homeless and found myself on the streets and during that time I sunk into serious depression etc so dont say i cant comment on illness, especially mental illness. You don't know what my health or mental state is, as far as you know I could be suffering from severe depression, paranoia, agraphobia and panic attacks and stay at home all day on the pc earning money instead of claiming benefits. Just because i dont have blinkers on my eyes and see whats going on around me doesn't make me a scumbag and because I think that someone who can sit on a pc all day at home and can spend all day going round the shops looking for bargains then selling them on ebay is capable of working, especially when they say themselves "I DONT REALLY LIKE TOUCHING STUFF" doesn't make me a scumbag either. If you lie at ba interviews then you are a blagger!! plain and simple
Also advising people to stay up all night and not eating is advising people to blag, trully ill people do not need to do this do they and if they do they are BLAGGERS

dont quote people if youre not going to do it correctly! i dont spean all day every day going out of my flat, i manage 2 days a week and both of them times im with someone, either my partner or my best friend. i also sometimes manage to go to my mums house for tea.

i too have been hameless i got kicked out coz of my OCD and had to live in a hostel, luckily they found me a room with my own bathroom. ive tried topping myself twice and been a hospital inpatient with my OCD. i hate really suffered- so dont f**king comment if you dont know all of the facts mate!

as ive said before ive been working on my obsessions and ive done really well but i have one main one left that prevents me from working and as youve backed me into a corner to prove it i will. it invloves teh fact that i cant go to the toilet unless i have a bath and clean teh loo afterwards. can someone who deos this go out and have a job? do employers allow peopel to go home for 3 hours to go to the loo? dont think so! i also have problems with all of teh things i prevoisly mentioned, peopel who are nurses and cleaners, babies, cleaning, dirty money, things off the floor etc. etc. if im in a shopping centre and see something i dont like i can go home, you cant go home from work coz someones given you a dirty ten pound note can you?

my goal is to come off benefits and be full time at uni by october thsi year and have a job too, im gonna do my absolute best but if i dont manage it its not coz im a failure its coz im ILL!!!

now, you still havent suggested me a job where i could still have my obsessions and still do it to teh best of my ability. i will always have OCD im just trying to get it to a level where i can be back in society (i too used to work 16hr shifts) earning some money for myself. when im job hunting i will come up against teh stigma of mental illness too, so in your suggestion youll have to come up with something where teh employers arent biased against peopel with OCD.

p.s. what can you do at home on a computer working for someone else if you have no proper computer training. i can type or talk into my drago but thats about it! oh and about ebay i dont sell things ive gotten, i sell my old clothes and stuff from around my flat when im a bit skint!

please come up with a job i can do before i get rid of my last big obsession! if not go and crawl back under your hating, bigoted, daily mail rock!

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Miroslav

krisskross wrote:

I truly am happy to look at the bigger picture but the fact remains that if welfare spending continues to increase then Britain will be bankrupt.
Health spending is higher than it has ever been and it could therefore be anticipated that people would not be sick but instead there are ever increasing people who are too sick to work.

Perhaps we could have a poll as to where the Government could raise the money needed to pay for everything or which areas could cutbacks be made in. Whatever is chosen will be unpopular I think.

I agree to a point.

How about cutting spending on asylum seekers?

How about bigger fines for those who break laws, such as speeding, drunken behaviour etc.

I believe the criminals should pay for alot more than they do.