Driving without due care and attention HGV

derrick

Conor wrote: »

Can you tell me what experience you have of driving an articulated lorry? Because the points and accident free 15 years and thick end of 2 million miles worth of experience I have says everything you state above is utter !!!!!!!!.
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Proves nothing, just that you haven't been caught, or that you have been responsible for causing accidents due to your cavalier approach to driving, and not stopping or even looking in your mirrors to see the carnage you have caused or the evasive action other drivers take to avoid you causing the accident!

Conor wrote: »

EU Directive. Go learn something:
http://www.bvrla.co.uk/binary/documents/855_Speed_Limiters.pdf

The UK limit for lorries on the motorway is 60MPH however the EU Directive mandates a 90KPH speed limiter.

If you have proper lorries and not 7.5 tonners tailgating you when your speedo reads 70-80MPH, you need to get a new speedo as it is defective. If you had said 60-62MPH, I'd have given your post some credibility as a car speedo can legally overread up to 10%.

You will see that table,(marked in yellow), has some vehicles that can do 60mph!

They are "proper" lorries,(artics), that tailgate me and others at that speed,(open your eyes and look), there is nothing wrong with my speedo, without me getting it professionally checked, when it reads 74 the sat nav reads 71,(as an example), I have also measured it by timing distance between emergency phones,(these are set at 1 mile apart), and whilst doing 60mph it takes 61 seconds, so not that far out!

Thee are lorries out capable of, (and doing), well in excess of 60mph!

Conor wrote: »

Again, it is not the responsibility of the traffic already on the motorway to give way. It's because too many have, that moron car drivers think that they're supposed to and the near misses, slamming on brakes and veering up the hard shoulder happen.

Indeed...if you can't work out how to join a motorway correctly, it's not my problem.

This can be said for lorry drivers as well. I have lost count of the ones that force drivers to change lanes or harshly brake because the lorry driver thinks because they are bigger and "don't want to lose momentum" that the driver already on the motorway will give way, it works both ways!

Also a "near miss" by definition is a hit!

Conor wrote: »

So you didn't notice the dashed lines at the end of the sliproad? Are you really fit to drive? Do you think that traffic doing 70+ should give way to traffic coming off the sliproad at half that speed?

Moron.

As I said above, it also applies to lorry drivers, but most seem to think it doesn't!

Muppet.

Conor wrote: »

The markings on the road ARE SIGNS you blithering idiot. A solid white centre line means no overtaking but there's no signs on a stick telling you not to is there? So how do you know you can't overtake there?

No it doesn't,( have you read the HC?),
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Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26]

banger9365

at least your looking at the high way code which most poeple do not after passing there test ,you should thank conor for that derrick

gilbert_and_sullivan

Conor wrote: »

BWAHAHAHAHA


Can you tell me what experience you have of driving an articulated lorry? Because the points and accident free 15 years and thick end of 2 million miles worth of experience I have says everything you state above is utter !!!!!!!!.

Perhaps you'd like to tell me how I can see through the solid headboard of a trailer down the outside or manage to defy the laws of physics down the inside of the vehicle when making a turn?

Hell, even someone with a rudimentary grasp of geometry can work out where they are. I guess you failed maths as badly as you failed English.

Well Conor, i won't abuse you or insult you personally, whether you would like to afford me the same courtesy is really up to you.

Quinny could also learn a little if he cares to listen to an old hand.

As for being unable to see through the headboard of your truck, that's why trucks are fitted with mirrors and a proper lorry driver adjusts those mirrors to cover as much of the passenger side of their vehicle as they can, and of course most new trucks have front as well as side down mirrors to alleviate the pedestrian/cyclist hiding in those places.

If you take the time to adjust those mirrors, and don't make the mistake of having the wide angle passenger side mirror set too high, which most do, you will find that you can cover every inch on the passenger side.

It is the truck drivers responsibility, and far too many truck drivers are irresponsible and incompetent, who were it not for the modern truck almost driving itself, never get the thing out of the yard in the first place.
Let alone going about their work with some pride, and that is so sadly missing these days.

Quoting starship mileages and big tonnage may impress someone who's never driven anything bigger than a Yaris, but unless the driver in question can put their hand on their heart and say that their xx years of driving have been accident free, and courteous and considerate it doesn't mean a whole lot.

And i may well have been doing the job for considerably more time than you, and accident free but we're not having a peeing contest, however suffice to say i am a long time served lorry driver of the old school, who is embarrassed on a daily basis by some newer hgv drivers who are wholly incapable of controlling their vehicles or themselves and use the size and weight to intimidate and bully their way about.

It really shows when some of the truckers out there have to do a little blind side close manoeuvring, laughable were it not so sad, i've seen them drive miles to spin round and reverse in on their own side as they can't actually drive a truck, a chimp could drive a modern truck down a motorway at the limited speed, it seems some can't even do that without wiping some poor innocent out in the process.

And when the inevitable happens start shouting (more bullying) the odds at some poor soul who's crystal ball didn't tell them that the clown driving that huge truck was a fool who hadn't the nous to operate his vehicle as a professional, in a courteous manner.

Of course that wouldn't apply to you as a professional truck driver, who's courtesy and honour is part of his code.

Now if you'd like to discuss anything further, please do ask, i don't spend too much time here, but i'm glad to discuss anything in a civil way.

GS.

cyclonebri1

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Well Conor, i won't abuse you or insult you personally, whether you would like to afford me the same courtesy is really up to you.

Quinny could also learn a little if he cares to listen to an old hand.

As for being unable to see through the headboard of your truck, that's why trucks are fitted with mirrors and a proper lorry driver adjusts those mirrors to cover as much of the passenger side of their vehicle as they can, and of course most new trucks have front as well as side down mirrors to alleviate the pedestrian/cyclist hiding in those places.

If you take the time to adjust those mirrors, and don't make the mistake of having the wide angle passenger side mirror set too high, which most do, you will find that you can cover every inch on the passenger side.

It is the truck drivers responsibility, and far too many truck drivers are irresponsible and incompetent, who were it not for the modern truck almost driving itself, never get the thing out of the yard in the first place.
Let alone going about their work with some pride, and that is so sadly missing these days.

Quoting starship mileages and big tonnage may impress someone who's never driven anything bigger than a Yaris, but unless the driver in question can put their hand on their heart and say that their xx years of driving have been accident free, and courteous and considerate it doesn't mean a whole lot.

And i may well have been doing the job for considerably more time than you, and accident free but we're not having a peeing contest, however suffice to say i am a long time served lorry driver of the old school, who is embarrassed on a daily basis by some newer hgv drivers who are wholly incapable of controlling their vehicles or themselves and use the size and weight to intimidate and bully their way about.

It really shows when some of the truckers out there have to do a little blind side close manoeuvring, laughable were it not so sad, i've seen them drive miles to spin round and reverse in on their own side as they can't actually drive a truck, a chimp could drive a modern truck down a motorway at the limited speed, it seems some can't even do that without wiping some poor innocent out in the process.

And when the inevitable happens start shouting (more bullying) the odds at some poor soul who's crystal ball didn't tell them that the clown driving that huge truck was a fool who hadn't the nous to operate his vehicle as a professional, in a courteous manner.

Of course that wouldn't apply to you as a professional truck driver, who's courtesy and honour is part of his code.

Now if you'd like to discuss anything further, please do ask, i don't spend too much time here, but i'm glad to discuss anything in a civil way.

GS.

Well I would, (have actually). He does invite it, and probably intentionally.
Coner you view of HGV drivers is to white. Some are excellant proffessional, you can tel the ones. But some are not. You all have to be prepared for some of the total prats that drive our roads. Thet don't come painted flourecent orange, all drive cars, or all drive trucks. Thet are in camo gear, they sneak up where and when you least expect them and they bite you in the !!!!.

goldspanners

i couldnt agree more gilbert.

banger9365

gilbert i agree with you
we get them gimps where i work and boy you wonlder how they have passed there test,i had a old timer follow me to a store and when he came to turn it round he said theres not enough room,i laught and said follow it the yard round theres plenty of room and it went round and he was amazed it went,
the thing is if you spend every day up and down the m/ways thats all you know how to do,put if on the other case you go through towns,citys,country roads,and in and out of very small yards all day your going to beable to blind side it and your used to watching your !!! all the time unlike the m/ways .so i will agree with put remember some poor soul will spend every day going up and down the m/ways and going into them big sheds for the supermarkets just of m/ways,how boring is that

derrick

banger9365 wrote: »

at least your looking at the high way code which most poeple do not after passing there test ,you should thank conor for that derrick

I have nothing to thank conor for!, I have always used the HC unlike conor as you will see form some of his posts, who must have his own personal version made up especially for him, an example that can be seen with his interpretation of solid white lines.

derrick

jammin wrote: »

Haven't read most of this thread, but just like to say that on an unfortunate day back in 2001, I was the car approaching at 70. Driver of lorry 2 moved out to over take lorry 1 - obviously didn't see that the overtaking lane wasn't clear (I was in it) - and the accident occurred.

Lorry 1's insurance company accepted liability and paid out for the damage to my car, and I got a letter from the police informing me that they were recommending the driver of the lorry to sit some kind of driver awareness class. Something like that anyway - it's getting on 8 years ago now.

Situation was identical to that in anewman's diagram though.

Surely that should read "lorry 2's" ? How on earth could lorry 1 be to blame?

jammin_2

derrick wrote: »

Surely that should read "lorry 2's" ? How on earth could lorry 1 be to blame?

You're right, I meant to put lorry 2, not lorry 1. Have edited my post now. Well spotted!

Conor_3

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

As for being unable to see through the headboard of your truck, that's why trucks are fitted with mirrors and a proper lorry driver adjusts those mirrors to cover as much of the passenger side of their vehicle as they can,

ROFLMFAO.

So when I turn to the right and the trailer headboard moves out to the left in respect to the vehicle, how does a correctly adjusted mirror allow me to see past that?

You really don't have even the faintest idea and obviously not the intelligence to work that out.