Driving without due care and attention HGV

Conor_3

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Imagine for just one moment this scenario you describe, you are turning right, and the trailer headboard moves left, actually it doesn't as you already know, it describes a different and decreasing circle than your tractor unit at that time, but its still turning right with you, so it really doesn't matter whats there at that time as the front of the trailer is moving away from it.

Listen you stupid !!!!, it's highly relevent when you're turning right on a tight roundabout and a !!!! like you is undertaking in the left lane. You can be damned well sure YOU would think the headboard is moving left as it cut into your lane and I'd not be able to see you because the headboard would be blocking the view.

It's really really simple but a dumb !!!! like you is never ever going to work it out. I suggest you get one of your kids toy lorries, assuming your sperm had the intelligence to work out which way to go to produce a child, and see for yourself.

goldspanners

looks like your last post went missing, along with your other racist post last night.

i wish others would report you for your abusiveness,maybe you could be banned altogether from this site.
maybe christmas just isn't your time of year ehh?
maybe its time you retired to a mental institution,away from the harrdships that life has bestowed apon you conor.
ive never seen someone get so upset about thing posted on an internet forum.

gilbert_and_sullivan

Conor wrote: »

Listen you stupid !!!!, it's highly relevent when you're turning right on a tight roundabout and a !!!! like you is undertaking in the left lane. You can be damned well sure YOU would think the headboard is moving left as it cut into your lane and I'd not be able to see you because the headboard would be blocking the view.

It's really really simple but a dumb !!!! like you is never ever going to work it out. I suggest you get one of your kids toy lorries, assuming your sperm had the intelligence to work out which way to go to produce a child, and see for yourself.

Ah Hello again Conor,

The scenario you now describe to illustrate your point does make sense, as we have now apparently driven onto a tight roundabout.
The previous scenario's about blind spots were on major trunk roads at normal cruising speeds.

Now being some sort of multi exclamation apparently (whatever one of those may be, i'm being subtle here, try it sometime) the imaginary me is sitting along side your headboard on the nearside as you start to make your turn to the right, i'm certainly with you so far....gosh this is getting difficult.

Assuming you have made allowance for getting your unbelievably large trailer (much bigger than anyone else's you virile hunk you!!!) to clear the roundabout centre, you will probably already have sensibly made your whole approach to the aforesaid roundabout in a line that will successfully make the turn smoothly, and already be partly into what the other driver (me the exclamation in this case) would under normal circumstances assume would be his lane.

So far so good, now i'm still alongside your headboard, you are still going straight ahead as you haven't cleared the roundabout enough to make your turn, at this point the paths of professional and just another lorry driver often diverge.

The professional driver is watching closely the vehicle on the nearside, (no blind spot at all as no turn made) and should that car driver with no concept of the room such a grand fellow as yourself may need seem to be getting to the point where, after starting to turn the tractor to make the swing the truck is likely to cause danger as it closes on this imaginary car, that pro truck driver will slow momentarily which often alerts that car driver to the fact the gap is now closing, if it doesn't the car then continues on his merry way, and the following car driver having seen the development of this usually slows, as they realise from their better observation point further behind that the gaps are getting smaller.

At this point the truck is probably still straight with no blind spots at all, except for anything directly behind (obviously), and assuming the gaps are fine, the pro makes his turn watching the whole time the gradually diminishing view as the headboard on the nearside (finally) causes that blind spot you have so desperately wanted to show.

All this is done in a smooth flow, and surprisingly rapidly as the pro knows exactly how much room he needs and where precisely to place the truck for minimum intrusion into other's space.

The blind spot doesn't become completely blind instantly as you well know, in your scenario you will have made provision for the likeliness of the next car following the first car through, and by the time the first 10ft or so back from the headboard has completely disappeared for the width of a car to hide in, the trailer will be following the line described by front of the tractor.

At this point the pro is more concerned with the swing out of the n/s/r of his trailer (depending on the vehicle configuration), but he will have noted which cars were where before committing to the turn and as he makes the turn and those cars become visible from his o/s mirror, or will have nipped up the inside and gone but visibly through the n/s side window, he knows straight away that a car is missing and a potential hazard possibly close to that swing.

(The exception to this is the articulated car transporter with cab over peak, as said before, best left to the pro not the steering wheel attendant.
The artic car transporter is a very special case, and something very few truck drivers can cope with, there is no 'just about manage' with one of those, you can either do the job properly or not.
I suggest you don't try, your foul mood doesn't bode well for the skills needed).

The non pro driver will just have made the turn and followed the line he wanted to regardless of anyone else and should anything occur, resort to neanderthal reactions, including no doubt questioning the car drivers virility/orientation/education in a loud domineering way.

If you still need further clarification of the finer points of truck driving, do give some more scenario's, and i'll be glad to explain them for you.

Now do have a relaxing day, i shall.
Do lighten up a little, its a discussion forum, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

cyclonebri1

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Ah Hello again Conor,

The scenario you now describe to illustrate your point does make sense, as we have now apparently driven onto a tight roundabout.
The previous scenario's about blind spots were on major trunk roads at normal cruising speeds.

Now being some sort of multi exclamation apparently (whatever one of those may be, i'm being subtle here, try it sometime) the imaginary me is sitting along side your headboard on the nearside as you start to make your turn to the right, i'm certainly with you so far....gosh this is getting difficult.

Assuming you have made allowance for getting your unbelievably large trailer (much bigger than anyone else's you virile hunk you!!!) to clear the roundabout centre, you will probably already have sensibly made your whole approach to the aforesaid roundabout in a line that will successfully make the turn smoothly, and already be partly into what the other driver (me the exclamation in this case) would under normal circumstances assume would be his lane.

So far so good, now i'm still alongside your headboard, you are still going straight ahead as you haven't cleared the roundabout enough to make your turn, at this point the paths of professional and just another lorry driver often diverge.

The professional driver is watching closely the vehicle on the nearside, (no blind spot at all as no turn made) and should that car driver with no concept of the room such a grand fellow as yourself may need seem to be getting to the point where, after starting to turn the tractor to make the swing the truck is likely to cause danger as it closes on this imaginary car, that pro truck driver will slow momentarily which often alerts that car driver to the fact the gap is now closing, if it doesn't the car then continues on his merry way, and the following car driver having seen the development of this usually slows, as they realise from their better observation point further behind that the gaps are getting smaller.

At this point the truck is probably still straight with no blind spots at all, except for anything directly behind (obviously), and assuming the gaps are fine, the pro makes his turn watching the whole time the gradually diminishing view as the headboard on the nearside (finally) causes that blind spot you have so desperately wanted to show.

All this is done in a smooth flow, and surprisingly rapidly as the pro knows exactly how much room he needs and where precisely to place the truck for minimum intrusion into other's space.

The blind spot doesn't become completely blind instantly as you well know, in your scenario you will have made provision for the likeliness of the next car following the first car through, and by the time the first 10ft or so back from the headboard has completely disappeared for the width of a car to hide in, the trailer will be following the line described by front of the tractor.

At this point the pro is more concerned with the swing out of the n/s/r of his trailer (depending on the vehicle configuration), but he will have noted which cars were where before committing to the turn and as he makes the turn and those cars become visible from his o/s mirror, or will have nipped up the inside and gone but visibly through the n/s side window, he knows straight away that a car is missing and a potential hazard possibly close to that swing.

(The exception to this is the articulated car transporter with cab over peak, as said before, best left to the pro not the steering wheel attendant.
The artic car transporter is a very special case, and something very few truck drivers can cope with, there is no 'just about manage' with one of those, you can either do the job properly or not.
I suggest you don't try, your foul mood doesn't bode well for the skills needed).

The non pro driver will just have made the turn and followed the line he wanted to regardless of anyone else and should anything occur, resort to neanderthal reactions, including no doubt questioning the car drivers virility/orientation/education in a loud domineering way.

If you still need further clarification of the finer points of truck driving, do give some more scenario's, and i'll be glad to explain them for you.

Now do have a relaxing day, i shall.
Do lighten up a little, its a discussion forum, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

That reminds me of something I once heard, "Opinions are like !!!!!!, everybody has one"

Just has so much more relevance when Conor is involved;)

gilbert_and_sullivan

Post removed as a post it answered has been removed too.

cyclonebri1

You know I viewed that too, and just didn't make the connection I now see. I don't think jammin meant it in that way, I sure he aimed it at Coner, as my post was.

But best alround if it's removed and the poster apologises.:T

mr_lordi

hi guys, can i suggest all hgv drivers reading this thread to look at www.truckview.net these guys have come up with a lens that fits to your opposite cab window and reduces your blind spot. Im not a salesman for truckview i am a hgv driver who has one fitted and i think they are fantastic, i.m.o they should be fitted as standard. Ask your employer to look in to them... Paul.