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Fantastic comment piece from the Times on the giveaway to mortgage holders
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...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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I would agree NDG.
At the moment I love watching people put me in one box (single parent waster, no education etc) but as soon as I open my mouth and start speaking, they are forced to think again and move their view of me upwards!
I even once had to tell someone to stop speaking to me as if I was a child and only using simple words....I told them all of this in lovely big words which they then had to search the meaning of, it turned out that I had more qualifications than they did.We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
Eldests' EDS diagnosis 4.5.10, mine 13.1.11 eekk - now having fun and games as a wheelchair user.0 -
kennyboy66 wrote: »"The report said although the poor, the least educated and ethnic minorities visit their GP more often than more affluent, well-educated people, they are less likely to be referred to a specialist."
My Dad (define his class as you like - brought up in a working-class family in Merseyside, now a QC) went to the GP a couple of weeks ago. It was his first visit since 1996, and they had to rummage around in the basement to find his paper notes, as his file hasn't been computerised.
And he did get referred to a specialist, as he did in 1996, so 100% of his visits since 1990 have resulted in referrals.
That doesn't mean he "milks the system", it means he is pretty healthy and only goes to the GP when he's really ill.
I imagine GPs love patients like him, as he doesn't clog up their surgery!...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
At the moment I love watching people put me in one box (single parent waster, no education etc) but as soon as I open my mouth and start speaking, they are forced to think again and move their view of me upwards!
“It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him”...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
If, as seems certain, we are facing 18 months of a 'white collar' recession where educated professionals are layed-off, then a very, very great number of people are going be angry.
1) They'll find that the 'stamp' they've paid on top of income tax (and stealth taxes) entitles them to bu**ger all while Ms chav lives the high life with a menagerie of ba*tard kiddies.
2) They'll find that the 'system' only chips in when you've spent every penny of your capital and are paupers having lost the house too. ONLY FOOLS SAVE!
3) Job Centres are a joke, they'll relish stopping your benefit for missing one of their silly "interviews" but haven't a clue about jobs beyond minimum wage temping/labouring.
The 'safety net' is a long, long way down and full of holes - if you're middle-class.
Oh yeah, honesty doesn't pay either.
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On the medical front, I had far more contact with doctors etc when I was in full employment, by that I mean I would see the doctor (apart from pregnancy related) around once every few years or so.
The last time I saw the doctor for myself in recent years was.....errrr.....ummm... so long ago I can't remember exactly when!
*Although I did go to the hospital when middle son spilt boiling hot tea down my arm by accident a few months ago but that was dealty with purely by the nurses.We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
Eldests' EDS diagnosis 4.5.10, mine 13.1.11 eekk - now having fun and games as a wheelchair user.0 -
Do read the article - that's not what it claimed at all - in fact somewhat the opposite.
Then get back and talk some sense.
Carol these are your coments on this thread relating to the poor/lower classes.
“The middle classes have chldren later, are more likely to pay towards their children's education and contribute more in taxes and take less in benefits than the v poor. Sorry - don't think your point is proved - far from it.”
“Also more likely to work. Full stop.” your coment that the middle class are more likely to work
“They could, but statistically, the poor have far worse health, due partly to bad diet etc. Not saying it's their fault, but it is a fact.”
You come across as somone who as a problem with the "lower Classes" in my oppinion.0 -
amcluesent wrote: »If, as seems certain, we are facing 18 months of a 'white collar' recession where educated professionals are layed-off, then a very, very great number of people are going be angry.
1) They'll find that the 'stamp' they've paid on top of income tax (and stealth taxes) entitles them to bu**ger all while Ms chav lives the high life with a menagerie of ba*tard kiddies.
2) They'll find that the 'system' only chips in when you've spent every penny of your capital and are paupers having lose the house too. ONLY FOOLS SAVE!
3) Job Centres are a joke, they'll relish stopping your benefit for missing one of their silly "interviews" but haven't a clue about jobs beyond minimum wage temping.
The 'safety net' is a long, long way down and full of holes - if you're middle-class.
Especially if they have a partner who works more than 16 hours a week..regardless of how much that 16 hours brings in.We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
Eldests' EDS diagnosis 4.5.10, mine 13.1.11 eekk - now having fun and games as a wheelchair user.0 -
Disagree with your view there. In my experience its the other way round.I agree pobby, I would also add the "middle classes" are more likely to send out for delivered food than their poorer counterparts.
Certainly the poorer educated people are, the worse their diet IMO.Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.0 -
Lotus-eater wrote: »From that link "Middle class patients dominate the health service and get better care because they know how to work the system, a report has claimed."
I might argue back that the lower classes dominate the benefits system, because they know how to work/fiddle it.....
Actually, it's more about your mentality.
Some people have no qualms about outright fiddling the system.
Others wouldn't lie but will squeeze every benefit out that they are entitled to.
There are a lot of people that will just play by the obvious rules and take whatever the system tells them to take.
..And finally a group of people who wouldn't want to take benefits at all.
I don't think your social status affects that, it's just that the poorer people are obviously going to the be the ones that end up in the system a lot more. Plenty of well off people out there fiddling tax laws, planning permission, grants etc.--
Every pound less borrowed (to buy a house) is more than two pounds less to repay and more than three pounds less to earn, over the course of a typical mortgage.0
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