Fantastic comment piece from the Times on the giveaway to mortgage holders

kennyboy66_2

carolt wrote: »

Why, do the "middle classes" (your quote marks) get sick more or have more children?

Or am I missing a trick here? (And yes, I know the rich may choose to go private - but the poor? Hardly.)

Here's why;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570763/Middle-class-get-better-NHS-care,-says-expert.html

And Civitas is a right of centre think-tank, whilst the Telegraph is hardly the Fabian society.

The in-equality in education is even more pronounced.

carolt

The middle classes have chldren later, are more likely to pay towards their children's education and contribute more in taxes and take less in benefits than the v poor. Sorry - don't think your point is proved - far from it.

Lotus-eater

kennyboy66 wrote: »

Here's why;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570763/Middle-class-get-better-NHS-care,-says-expert.html

And Civitas is a right of centre think-tank, whilst the Telegraph is hardly the Fabian society.

The in-equality in education is even more pronounced.

From that link "Middle class patients dominate the health service and get better care because they know how to work the system, a report has claimed."

I might argue back that the lower classes dominate the benefits system, because they know how to work/fiddle it.....

Really2

carolt wrote: »

The middle classes have chldren later, are more likely to pay towards their children's education and contribute more in taxes and take less in benefits than the v poor. Sorry - don't think your point is proved - far from it.

Also more likely to work in state funded jobs.

Is it ok to point out the very poor and not the middle classes Carol.

I cant see why you feel you need to defend a Class you obviously feel you belong in.

carolt

Really2 wrote: »

Also more likely to work in state funded jobs.

Is it ok to point out the very poor and not the middle classes Carol.

I cant see why you feel you need to defend a Class you obviously feel you belong in.

Also more likely to work. Full stop.

Is my class relevant?

Really2

carolt wrote: »

Also more likely to work. Full stop.

Is my class relevant?

It is to you by you reaction, the posibility of the middle classes take money out of the system as made you react in a odd way.

kennyboy66_2

Lotus-eater wrote: »

From that link "Middle class patients dominate the health service and get better care because they know how to work the system, a report has claimed."

I might argue back that the lower classes dominate the benefits system, because they know how to work/fiddle it.....

It wasn't a class warfare point, just that the majority of people on sites like this seem to be of the opinion that the "lower classes" are bleeding "hard working taxpayers" dry, usually be scrounging benefits and working for a bit of cash on the side.

When it comes down to it however there are many areas where the "middle class" take great benefit from the "welfare state".

I'm sure people like Carol can't accept it but its is generally accepted that the "middle class" do pretty well out of;

1) Health Care - I could link up dozens of similar reports to the Civitas one/
2) Education - thats why house prices are higher in catchment areas of the best schools.
3) Employment - you could argue that many Government jobs are exclusively designed for the middle class
4) Pensions - Life expectancy in Glasgow for men is less than 70 years. In Dorset it is more than 80 years. Who gets the most state pension benefit there I wonder.

Anyone in their right mind is going to do their best for their children or their own health, but please save us from the sanctimonious drivel about the "poor" exclusivley working / fiddling the system.

beecher

kennyboy66 wrote: »

It could have been written by someone on this site.

Unfortunately the figures don't really add up.
If its going to cost £1bn and only help 9000 people then that suggests they are getting £111k in this mortgage interest deferal.
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According to Robert Peston's blog, the government themselves say that up to £1b will be guaranteed by the government. It'll only cost that if everyone defaults.

meester

kennyboy66 wrote: »

Here's why;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570763/Middle-class-get-better-NHS-care,-says-expert.html

And Civitas is a right of centre think-tank, whilst the Telegraph is hardly the Fabian society.

The in-equality in education is even more pronounced.

The middle class might be better at complaining if they get bad service from the NHS, but when I go to doctors they seem to be full of long-term unemployed.

And in education the middle class are the ones organising the PTAs, fund-raising for schools, and trying to ensure their kids work hard and set a good example to others.

Cannon_Fodder

The growth in assaults on NHS staff can't only be the middle classes kicking off because they haven't got a private room...