DRM removal

MercilessKiller

Marty_J wrote: »

You don't own the music, and you can't do whatever you wish with it.

You own the CD, but you don't own the music on it.

Sorry I meant that. Thanks for correctin me Marty

As for you Bill... that remark was made in jest. And I think it was quite obvious too

Conor_3

chickflix wrote: »

BillScarab wrote: »

Hi there,

I would put forward the argument, why pay when it is available to have for free?

So I'll take it you'll have no problem if I contact your boss this week to tell him to BACS your wages into my account?

After all, [1] you're not being deprived of a physical object so you can't argue that I've stolen something from you and you're more than happy to take something that someone has put their own time and money into without paying for it so you're OK with that too.

[1]common argument used by "pirates" is that because no physical object has been taken, the owner hasn't been deprived of anything so therefore nothing has been stolen.

[Deleted User]

MercilessKiller wrote: »

BillScarab wrote: »

When I buy a CD, I can legally RIP it, put it on whatever device I wish. Do whatever I wish with it. The music is mine. I own it.

No it's not. The music remains the property of the copyright holder, which is not you. You can only do what the copyright holder permits you to do, and that which you are legally permitted to do so.

With DRM, you don't own it. It's as simple as that. You can't do what you wish with it. You can't put it on whatever device (depending on the DRM terms, but in this instance Napster...)

Linked with above.

That means you buy the song, but it's not yours. Thus it oppresses your freedom to do as you wish with what you've bought That's what I meant.

Linked with above.

As for Microsoft, lets be honest... We all know Microsoft overcharges for things.

Anyone who has been foolish enough to buy a retail copy of Windows, or a full price version of Office etc could reasonably think this, but considering you can buy Windows and Office for around £50 each, I don't consider that overcharging.

All techies also know about how most things in Vista were stolen from Apple, thus the recent court cases between the 2.

It's a game of perpetual cat and mouse, all software takes influence from competitors. If it didn't, there would never be any advancement.

I use Vista because it's a good operating system Luckily I'm an MSDN student so for another 6 months at least, I can legally use it for free. Would I pay £60 for the basic package? no. Would I pay £150 for the package with decent backup/restore utilities? Certainly not.

£50 gets you Vista Home Premium, which is more than satisfactory for the majority of PC users.

I'm not saying pirate it either. If you actually re-read my post, you'd notice that I did NOT advise or promote piracy in anyway. In fact I quite clearly stated I buy my music from amazong, for that reason.

Piracy was mentioned in relation to Windows Activation by you.

chickflix

Conor wrote: »

chickflix wrote: »

So I'll take it you'll have no problem if I contact your boss this week to tell him to BACS your wages into my account?

After all, [1] you're not being deprived of a physical object so you can't argue that I've stolen something from you and you're more than happy to take something that someone has put their own time and money into without paying for it so you're OK with that too.

[1]common argument used by "pirates" is that because no physical object has been taken, the owner hasn't been deprived of anything so therefore nothing has been stolen.

The analogy you used doesn't correlate to the point I made in the context of downloading.

MercilessKiller

anewhope wrote: »

Anyone who has been foolish enough to buy a retail copy of Windows, or a full price version of Office etc could reasonably think this, but considering you can buy Windows and Office for around £50 each, I don't consider that overcharging.

£50 gets you Vista Home Premium, which is more than satisfactory for the majority of PC users.

Fantastic. You agree with me that Microsoft overcharges for Windows. As you said: "Anyone who has been foolish enough to buy a retail copy"... Take MOST home users. If they have an XP machine and want vista, they will most likely buy a full retail copy as that's what is sold on the shelf in PC World. So you agree.. thanks

Secondly, I prefer my operating systems to have its secure and backup/restore functionality enabled. Home Premium, the core useful ones are disabled. These would benefit the home users.

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MercilessKiller wrote: »

Fantastic. You agree with me that Microsoft overcharges for Windows. As you said: "Anyone who has been foolish enough to buy a retail copy"... Take MOST home users. If they have an XP machine and want vista, they will most likely buy a full retail copy as that's what is sold on the shelf in PC World. So you agree.. thanks

No, I don't agree with your view. You conveniently left out the part of my quote that stated buying buying Retail when there is discounted OEM would leave you with that impression. At no point have I said I think Microsoft products are overpriced.

C- for trying to twist my words to back up your point.

MercilessKiller

Discounted OEM isn't usually the first one advertised by Microsoft or on the eye line shelf at any retail shop. You said only fools by the retail, yet Microsoft obviously make enough money from its sales as they still mass produce them. Why do only fools by them may I asked? You said that because the retail version is overpriced... Thus it's not twisting your words at all! Don't take them back because you don't like what it means

I'm not twisting your words at all lol....

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MercilessKiller wrote: »

Discounted OEM isn't usually the first one advertised by Microsoft or on the eye line shelf at any retail shop. You said only fools by the retail, yet Microsoft obviously make enough money from its sales as they still mass produce them. Why do only fools by them may I asked? You said that because the retail version is overpriced... Thus it's not twisting your words at all! Don't take them back because you don't like what it means

I'm not twisting your words at all lol....

Anyone who has been foolish enough to buy a retail copy of Windows, or a full price version of Office etc could reasonably think this, but considering you can buy Windows and Office for around £50 each, I don't consider that overcharging.

At no point have I said retail is over priced. Learn to read.

MercilessKiller

Ok so if you didn't mean to say the retail version is over priced, why did you say people are fools to buy it? Any and I mean ANY normal person would know, it's because it costs more....

Aiadi

If I am to pay for something then I should have all the right to use it in whichever way I choose provided I am not hurting anyone. Can't accept buying a video, song or an album and then not being able to play it on my own music or video player. We are not talking about illegal distribution here but about being able to enjoy what we pay for.

Another important point to make is that there are a lot of things that are being made illegal not because they are bad or harmful but because we seem to be sleep walking into a puppet society controlled by Stalinist freaks. Being illegal doesn't mean that it should not be resisted by freedom fighters defending their rights.