DRM removal

BillScarab

chickflix wrote: »

BillScarab wrote: »

If you don't like Microsoft don't use their products./QUOTE]

Who are you to issue such an ultimatum? I don't like Microsoft but I want to use their products. I like freedom. Anything which oppresses freedom, such as DRM, should be fought against.

I'm me and was responding to MK, who the hell are you? It's not an ultimatum, it's a suggestion. MK described Microsoft as evil, and suggested pirating their software. My point is if you don't like a company and think they're evil don't use their product. If the product is good enough to use then pay for it.

Anyway since when did DRM oppress freedom? You're free to choose whether to buy products with DRM embedded. I don't like it so I buy DRM free products instead.

SunnySusie

In before the delete!

If you don't like DRM vote with your feet, buy products that don't use it.

MercilessKiller

BillScarab wrote: »

chickflix wrote: »

I'm me and was responding to MK, who the hell are you? It's not an ultimatum, it's a suggestion. MK described Microsoft as evil, and suggested pirating their software. My point is if you don't like a company and think they're evil don't use their product. If the product is good enough to use then pay for it.

Anyway since when did DRM oppress freedom? You're free to choose whether to buy products with DRM embedded. I don't like it so I buy DRM free products instead.

When I buy a CD, I can legally RIP it, put it on whatever device I wish. Do whatever I wish with it. The music is mine. I own it.

With DRM, you don't own it. It's as simple as that. You can't do what you wish with it. You can't put it on whatever device (depending on the DRM terms, but in this instance Napster...)

That means you buy the song, but it's not yours. Thus it oppresses your freedom to do as you wish with what you've bought That's what I meant.

As for Microsoft, lets be honest... We all know Microsoft overcharges for things. All techies also know about how most things in Vista were stolen from Apple, thus the recent court cases between the 2.

I use Vista because it's a good operating system Luckily I'm an MSDN student so for another 6 months at least, I can legally use it for free. Would I pay £60 for the basic package? no. Would I pay £150 for the package with decent backup/restore utilities? Certainly not.

I'm not saying pirate it either. If you actually re-read my post, you'd notice that I did NOT advise or promote piracy in anyway. In fact I quite clearly stated I buy my music from amazong, for that reason.

No need to pick fights on the forum Bill. Simply no need.

chickflix

BillScarab wrote: »

chickflix wrote: »

My point is if you don't like a company and think they're evil don't use their product. If the product is good enough to use then pay for it.

Anyway since when did DRM oppress freedom? You're free to choose whether to buy products with DRM embedded. I don't like it so I buy DRM free products instead.

Hi there,

I would put forward the argument, why pay when it is available to have for free?

DRM aims to prevent sharing. Now sharing is caring. Preventing caring isn't nice is it?

BillScarab

MK, you did however post

"I only wish we could talk about how to pirate windows and get past activation on here "

which at the very least implies you would be prepared to use pirate software.

Secondly unless the law has been changed, and a change was propsed earlier this year, it is NOT legal to rip CD's in the UK. It is tolerated but technically illegal.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=20085

ChickFlix, DRM is to prevent unauthorised useof copyright material. Sharing copyright material isn't caring, it's illegal. There are plenty of legal ways of getting DRM free music and personally I wish everything was DRM free. I think it's appalling the way the Music and Film industries treat their customers. However when there are DRM free alternatives available why buy products with DRM?

chickflix

BillScarab wrote: »

I think it's appalling the way the Music and Film industries treat their customers. However when there are DRM free alternatives available why buy products with DRM?

I completely agree, so why would you defend DRM?

Conor_3

espresso wrote: »

Agreed, just providing information to prove that you are not always right like you think that you are and because I detest DRM.

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry but I haven't at any point said that it's impossible, merely that the DRM doesn't allow it.

BillScarab

I'm not defending DRM, I'm simply pointing our that bypassing DRM is illegal in the UK and if companies want to use DRM to protect their products it's up to them.

You have a choice whether you buy the products or not. You don't have to buy them and/or make illegal copies.

Marty_J

MercilessKiller wrote: »

When I buy a CD, I can legally RIP it, put it on whatever device I wish. Do whatever I wish with it. The music is mine. I own it.

You don't own the music, and you can't do whatever you wish with it.

You own the CD, but you don't own the music on it.

Conor_3

chickflix wrote: »

BillScarab wrote: »

If you don't like Microsoft don't use their products./QUOTE]

Who are you to issue such an ultimatum? I don't like Microsoft but I want to use their products. I like freedom. Anything which oppresses freedom, such as DRM, should be fought against.

Ah, the argument used by THIEVES who use TPB worldwide. They're not actually downloading copyrighted film, music and software that they haven't paid for because they want it for free. They're doing it as a protest against DRM and you'll instantly delete it as soon as you've downloaded it.....

Riiiight.

Perhaps then you'd like to explain the recent "Pirates of the Amazon" plugin for Firefox which instantly took you to TPB torrent links of tracks from Amazon product webpages when you clicked on a link it put on the page even though Amazon do DRM free MP3s....
Kind of shoots your argument about TPB et al being a fight against DRM down in flames somewhat.