Private Parking Tickets discussion

biscuitdunker

As frustrating as it can be, you may just have to accept that some people aren't as observant and/or internet savvy as you, BFG. No matter how many times you post it, no matter how big the font is, people will still continue to ask the same questions.

BFG_2

Hey oldgit,

Here's some more definitions of spam...not sure which you think relates to my post....


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• a canned meat made largely from pork
• send unwanted or junk e-mail
• unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk)
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• Spam is the abuse of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. ...
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• Unsolicited commercial email.
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oldone_2

biscuitdunker wrote: »

As frustrating as it can be, you may just have to accept that some people aren't as observant and/or internet savvy as you, BFG. No matter how many times you post it, no matter how big the font is, people will still continue to ask the same questions.

It should also be remembered that some people, even if they have read all the stickies, need confirmation from people actually replying to them. It is also useful to hear from those caught by a PPC, and their subsequent experiences.

I suppose the logical conclusion of adopting the stance advocated by BFG is that everyone reads the stickies, and then goes away without posting anything, leaving everything here as dead as a dodo.

Unfortunately, unlike BFG, I do not have time to cut and paste lengthy explanations of what a Dodo is, I will leave that up to those with too much time on their hands.

Kirky_in_Donny

Hi. Anyone give us a little advice.

My girlfriend parked her car in an off street car park and has been given a ticket by a private firm. This ticket is demanding payment of £60 which will rise to £100 if not paid within 7 days.... then it rises by £20 a week until settlement.

She has given me the pay and display ticket (which was valid at the time of parking) but because of its flimsy nature and no adhesive sticker... it appears to have blown off the dashboard.

Do I pay this for her?

Thanks!

trisontana

Kirky_in_Donny wrote: »

Hi. Anyone give us a little advice.

My girlfriend parked her car in an off street car park and has been given a ticket by a private firm. This ticket is demanding payment of £60 which will rise to £100 if not paid within 7 days.... then it rises by £20 a week until settlement.

She has given me the pay and display ticket (which was valid at the time of parking) but because of its flimsy nature and no adhesive sticker... it appears to have blown off the dashboard.

Do I pay this for her?

Thanks!

As has been said on here a million times, just ignore. For reassurance please read similar posts on this forum.

ckerrd

^^^^^ _ I fear a reply from BFG coming.

Since it's Xmas you go ahead and pay it for her. Save thinking of what to get for a present.

EDIT - the above is not to be acted upon of course - I was being sarcastic

James_N

dacouch wrote: »

This is an interesting articale from the CAB, there are similarities between Private Parking Tickets and the civil recovery the company they refer to are doing eg esculating demands for perceived damages and the civil courts not consistantly supporting the PPCs...

http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/index/campaigns/policy_campaign_publications/evidence_reports/er_employment/unreasonable_demands_.htm

Summary

Citizens Advice Bureaux report dealing with a growing number of cases of threatened civil recovery against those accused of shoplifting or employee theft. The vast majority of these reported cases involve “dedicated civil litigators” Retail Loss Prevention (RLP), who claim to have recovered millions of pounds on behalf of many high street retailers such as Boots, Tesco and TK Maxx. The remainder all involve the retailer Asda, which conducts its own claims through law firm Drydens Lawyers.
In the vast majority of these CAB-reported cases, the value of the goods or cash allegedly stolen is relatively small – often just a few pounds. But letters from RLP and Drydens demand substantial sums as compensation for “the loss and damage caused by your wrongful actions” (RLP) or “the security costs incurred as a result of your actions” (Drydens), and threaten county court proceedings if prompt payment is not made. Some letters from RLP have also stated that “the personal information we hold [on you]” will “now be held on a national database of incidents of dishonesty”.
Most of the CAB clients concerned are young – one in six of those who received a letter from RLP were under 17 at the time – and many are sufficiently ashamed and/or intimidated by the threat of court action and escalating costs to pay up without challenge. However, both RLP and Drydens have failed to provide clear evidence that the civil courts have consistently and explicitly supported, at contested trials, the recoverability of the sort of sums they routinely demand in cases involving a relatively minor, low-value and one-off alleged offence. In the absence of such evidence, Citizens Advice considers such claims letters, and their threat of escalating costs, to constitute ‘deceitful’, ‘unfair’ and ‘improper’ business practice, as defined by the Office of Fair Trading.
Citizens Advice does not condone crime of any kind or level, and does not underestimate the monetary and other costs of retail crime. However, the ends of deterring crime or recovering its cost do not justify any means. If retailers, dissatisfied with the level of governmental action against retail crime, are to seek civil redress, they must do so using means that are transparently fair and proper. Unreasonable demands?sets out recommendations to the Ministry of Justice, the Home Office, the British Retail Consortium and others that civil recovery be limited to cases involving serious, determined or persistent offences for which there has been a criminal conviction

I too wondered about this. Similarities are that in both cases PRIVATE persons (e.g. not police / DPP / Courts / Parliament - each of whom have a degree of authority in determining what is an "pursueable" offence) have determined a PENALTY for the alleged offence. This is extra-judicial procedure and we should be VERY wary of allowing this.

Differences are:

1. In the case of a car park it's hard to see how £70 + could be anything like the alleged "loss" from an "offender": I can see a shop with a shoplifting allegation creatively making up the penalty from wages / equipment / office costs, and arriving at a not totally unreasonable figure.

2. The alleged "offence" of shoplifting is a real offence in law: overstaying in a private car park is not.

3. I couldn't care less how many friends colleagues and employers know I am being pursued by a private PCN company: I would be less sanguine about alleged shoplifting, however untrue (mud sticks).

Nevertheless - it's a worrying development.

Spartacus_Mills

oldone wrote: »

Unfortunately, unlike BFG, I do not have time to cut and paste lengthy explanations of what a Dodo is, I will leave that up to those with too much time on their hands.

Why not just put him on ignore instead of clogging the board up with this.

Both you and he offer good advice to people who come here with a problem. It is a shame to descend to bickering.

Spartacus_Mills

Kirky_in_Donny wrote: »

Hi. Anyone give us a little advice.

My girlfriend parked her car in an off street car park and has been given a ticket by a private firm. This ticket is demanding payment of £60 which will rise to £100 if not paid within 7 days.... then it rises by £20 a week until settlement.

She has given me the pay and display ticket (which was valid at the time of parking) but because of its flimsy nature and no adhesive sticker... it appears to have blown off the dashboard.

Do I pay this for her?

Thanks!

£20 a week !!!!!!!

I am staggered at that.

Oh, and as you have been advised do not pay.

BFG_2

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!


Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!

Do not pay. Just ignore everything to do [or from] with any private parking company. Don't appeal, write, call or engage in any way whatsoever. Above all read the rest of the threads on here that ask the exact same question and get [amazingly] the exact same advice; and yes..... I am shouting!!!!