Private Parking Tickets discussion

esmerobbo

peterbaker wrote: »

Coupon Mad thinks that was a smart comment, esmerobbo ... care to explain for the purposes of clarification what you meant?

Coupon Mad, please explain what's the difference between our private car parks and our private drives? Is one too up close and personal and the other fair game, perhaps?

Certainly by the "me me me" I meant the culture of people who believe it is ok for them to do whatever they like if it suits them. Rather then try and respect other people, and others property. I try to live my life without causing others a problem. I think that should be everybody's approach to life.

I only wish I had the answer to the problem regarding parking. I do respect others property hence why I have never received a ticket except as the keeper of a vehicle.

But given that I do think people have the right to respect and the right to protect their land I can not condone the use of wheel clamping. Or exorbitant parking charges.

Coupon-mad

peterbaker wrote: »

Coupon Mad, please explain what's the difference between our private car parks and our private drives? Is one too up close and personal and the other fair game, perhaps?

I have never seen even a single post on any forum about anyone having parked on someone's private driveway. The ONLY time that is ever mentioned is by clampers in a desperate defence of their protection racket.

As for private car parks, most of these clamps and fake PCNs we read about are issued to people who are actually authorised to be there. Typical examples are:

- The nurse clamped when visiting an elderly lady for an appointment

- The delivery driver clamped when stopping to open a gate to do a legit delivery

- Genuine disabled people given fake PCNs for parking in an advisory disabled bay

- Genuine disabled people given fake PCNs for parking on advisory double yellows

- Genuine shoppers given fake PCNs for minor overstays while spending money on site

On this subject, the most shocking example of the broken Society we live in is where a disabled Charity, Mobilise, have actually stopped helping people who have been unfairly ticketed for parking where they are legally entitled to! Instead they are in the pocket of a typical rubbish PPC (UKCPS) and tell disabled people to pay up when legally they owe nothing!

And as for the retailers, how on earth they think it's good business practice to pretend they can 'fine' their customers and then allow a scam firm to harass them with postal threatograms is astonishingly stupid.

There is NO place for private parking companies, they are parasites leeching off the back of real businesses and their days are hopefully numbered as more people know the score.

peterbaker

Well our car parks are not for public use yet the public use them, and sharp businessmen have used them for parking their small fleets outside of work hours.

We volunteer to help manage our estate and we cannot continually be policing the car parks personally. It is however up to us to come up with ideas which improve things for our community. Rogue Parkers are spoiling for a fight are they not? They do not care about upsetting our community. At what stage does it become unreasonable to employ a man with a clamp as a deterrent ? As someone said earlier, barriers cost many thousands with key fobs at £25 or £30 a time, maintenance at several hundred a month and make the place look like a special prison or a special target for pedestrian thieves. Whereas a clamping company might agree to deal with all signage, permits for display and nastiness for just five hundred of our pounds per month, and most people will be none the wiser about any major change.

All we have to deal with then is the sound of wailing and knashing of teeth until some people get the message. Don't some non-grown-ups deserve a firm hand up side their ear occasionally?

Would that be unreasonable of us? (Devil's advocate on my own suggestion of course )

PS My Dad got his first ever blue badge recently - he had to call the local council to chase it up after three weeks of hearing nothing. They said the normal waiting period is anything up to 20 weeks. "Is there any reason why you didn't apply previously?" ... Well me legs worked better when I was younger .... "Is there any special reason why you can't wait 20 weeks?" .... Well I'm 84 so I'm not sure how many weeks I've got left ... He got his badge in 3 days

You'll never believe it he says, but I was reading this paper that came with it and do you know that it says blue badge holders can park on double yellow lines for as much as three hours? He was genuinely stunned Somehow I can't ever see him daring to park on yellow lines, even if he was in a box in the back

peter_the_piper

The main problem would be when the unwelcome parkers did get the message and the clampers would still need income. Would you all be happy then when they start to prey on the rest of you because they eventually will. Its happened before. I can see the problem but don't really know the answer.

adouglasmhor

peter_the_piper wrote: »

The main problem would be when the unwelcome parkers did get the message and the clampers would still need income. Would you all be happy then when they start to prey on the rest of you because they eventually will. Its happened before. I can see the problem but don't really know the answer.

The answer is don't let them away with it, in Scotland they get arrested only DVLA (and their agents) and MOD can clamp, bring that in in the rest of the UK.

peter_the_piper

They are going to but it won't get Royal assent till late 2011 and then i expect they will shilly shally and defer implementation so don't hold your breath.

Coupon-mad

peterbaker wrote: »

Would that be unreasonable of us? (Devil's advocate on my own suggestion of course )

PS My Dad got his first ever blue badge recently - he had to call the local council to chase it up after three weeks of hearing nothing. They said the normal waiting period is anything up to 20 weeks. "Is there any reason why you didn't apply previously?" ... Well me legs worked better when I was younger .... "Is there any special reason why you can't wait 20 weeks?" .... Well I'm 84 so I'm not sure how many weeks I've got left ... He got his badge in 3 days

Oh dear, your Dad and other innocent visitors will be the ones clamped. Seen it on here and on pepipoo so many times. Clampers do not just target the so-called rogue parkers you know - they look for any excuse to clamp any vehicle, once given the go-ahead.

Seriously, do not even think about clamping unless you'd be happy for your poor old Dad's car to be preyed upon when he thinks he can park on a double yellow in your estate (clampers would see that as out of designated area).

Or if his blue badge falls down or is shown upside down (even though the scheme doesn't even apply on private land...).

Or if he parks slightly over a white line.

Or if there is a 'y' in the day of the week...

You name it, clampers will swoop. You have been warned, it really is that bad.

Hadeon

trisontana wrote: »

I ask again. Do motorists actually park on private driveways. I have never know it happen.

I don't belive it's an endemic problem, but what practical solution is there to predicaments such as the one experienced by the elderly pensioner as reported in this article?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330189/Pensioner-caught-CCTV-using-car-shunt-vehicle-blocking-garage.html

peter_the_piper

Totally over the top reaction, in my opinion. By the law that is. £2000.00 fine and 12 mths ban is excessive, drunk drivers get less. I bet the prosecutor would not have taken her own recommendation.

trisontana

Hadeon wrote: »

I don't belive it's an endemic problem, but what practical solution is there to predicaments such as the one experienced by the elderly pensioner as reported in this article?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330189/Pensioner-caught-CCTV-using-car-shunt-vehicle-blocking-garage.html

That incident didn't take place on a private driveway, but on a piece of land in front of a row of lock-up garages. Big differ enc.