Charged for calling a uk mobile whilst IT was abroad!!

diamonds

^ i think you find my post is accurate, depandancies are owned by the Queen, her Crown govern law mainland & dependancies and this is why dependancies ( read tax haven for the rich UK mainlanders ) are issued UK prefixes - cos the BIT ch rules them too !!

dependancies are not Commomwealth as you were never invaded........

EU membership is a no but free movement of trade to EU is allowed via Treaty due to being a UK/Crown/Queen dependancy

The word dependancy is to pasify, its owned & ruled by the head of UK monarch and her Crown dept ( the highest goverment UK body )

redux

diamonds wrote: »

enforce old regs - 01/02 is UK landline 07 is mobile ( excluding the personal numbers going to 06 ), its not up to Mobile Networks to dispute if 00614 is AU mobile or not, so how come our regulator ( bag of salt ) OFCOM allows UK mobile networks to decide if 00447 is not a UK Mobile call or not ? is that not a massive contridiction and against international termination rules ? all other worldwide telecoms have to include/charge 00447 as a UK mobile = be it Voda UK or Manx IOM so why not our
UK networks ? why is our telecom regulator allowing a internal UK abuse of the UK system/prefixes by the very companies it licence's & regulates ?

.......answer = TAX on your mobile bills goes to CROWN, OFCOM is funded by CROWN
its independant to a point & will not help you sort a contract breach out, no that goes to self regulation & you to clvil action !

00447 prefixes were added to mobile number by OFCOM's old buddy Oftel to be identified by the world as a BRITISH MOBILE, uping avail number batches and ending confusion domestically/internationally on rates

00441/2 landline
00448 free or charegable
00443 lo-cal rate ( charged as national from international ) yes they withdrew 3 prefix it, now its back
00445 was freephone

is all i remember


0898 456 456 became 07898 456 456

Much of these post is inaccurate or just made-up paranoid rants

What international rules are you on about, which you allege UK networks are abusing and Ofcom turning a blind eye?

Other international companies can set their own charges for +447x mobiles and other numbers here, or cover or not reach all of them. Some have the same tariff for all +447, some have different for each network, some even have varying rates on the same network, and some don't define all of them as valid, either because they don't have agreements with all providers, or because they miss updates of new prefix releases, or they want to avoid issues on shared cost numbers. Some have 2 cent rates for +449 premium rate numbers, but won't reach any if you try it. Many networks abroad don't reach UK +44844 and +44871 numbers. What international regulations would you allege about these? Or Belgian 0700 from here. Or Polish 0300, which a lot of companies don't reach. Loads of other countries' non-geographic numbers can't be reached from all providers in all countries

Ofcom allocated the numbers here, and the companies here use them; they can't make up their own as you suggest, and it isn't abuse or transgression of international rules. Yes, +447 includes not only UK mobiles but a few networks in Guernsey Jersey and Isle of man. Yes. it would be good if the UK networks included these in their packages, and some do, but they can't be forced into it any more than for French or German or Australian mobiles, or indeed other UK main networks. But comparing the decision to what other networks in other countries charge to reach here or elsewhere simply isn't the same case.

Rants about taxation, do elsewhere

Ofcom is not a arbitrator or Ombudsman body, and won't be involved in disputes about contracts. If you have a problem, go to the appropriate body instead; there are more than one, and your mobile network or Ofcom can tell you which applies.

Although Ofcom do regulate wholesale interconnect rates that the networks use to trade between themselves, they don't create or modify retail contract packages; they didn't invent the ones with cross-network mobile calls included - the networks did so themselves. They didn't compel mobile companies to include or exclude 07744 numbers, or later other callthrough numbers. They didn't tell them to include or exclude 0844 0845 and 0870 numbers. But they do seem to be trying (or say they are, but ineffectual so far) to get the tariffs for these and 0871 down from mobiles.

The generalisations you remember about number changes did not happen quite like that

Moving the rest of the non-geographic numbers to 08 happened at about the same time as mobiles became 07. Mobiles previously began with 03 04 05 08 or 09. 0345 (BT) and 0645 became 0845x; 0990 (BT) and 0541 (C&W/Mercury) became 0870x to join the slightly earlier introduced 08706 from Energis. 0500 freephone is still 0500 in some cases, such as Radio 5. Some 0800 freephone numbers stayed the same length, and the range available was extended when some more were introduced a digit longer, 08000, 08081 and 08089, though the last seem rarer, perhaps only for ISP dialup (?).

0898 certainly did not become 07898. It was never a mobile; in actual fact it used to be for premium rate chatline numbers, so is now 090 something. If you don't believe this, or can't find other references, look up a certain album title by The Beautiful South

How much more digression can this thread stand?

diamonds

fact is 01/02 07 are UK numbers issued by Ofcom part of the Crown that governs off-mainland Brit islands....and no exclusions should apply


sorry im not 100% on the call number changes I was a child at the time ie.... " is all i remember "

even o2 dont allow calls to thier subsiduary IOM, UK issued 07 prefix network ?

and there are wholesale rates " governed by Ofcom are for all incoming terminations regardless of UK or wherever, not just inter-connections from 1 UK to another " the man at Ofcom told me so a few years ago in a conversation while I quiered a £2000 bill, he said Guernsey number should have been taken from my UK X network calls..... " as dependancies were issued UK numbers by Ofcom at a slightly higher rate connection rate due to these networks customer base size, same as 3 for being the new UK entrant "

so if any of my info on that is wrong it came from an Ofcom employee........


and i havent changed anything in this thread Redux like Christina, " i said i was a w hore im still a w hore, at least im consistant "


07898 was an example of how 07 was integrated, taxation who ranted ?

Oftel rocked, Ofcoms a sham

something got up your bum Redux tonight ?


AU Telecom regulation rules - the networks get away with nothing, this UK senario of public bodies slap dash minimal effort is how babies end up dead at the hands of social work departments - OFCOM is no different

redux

diamonds wrote: »

even o2 dont allow calls to thier subsiduary IOM, UK issued 07 prefix network ?

and there are wholesale rates " governed by Ofcom are for all incoming terminations regardless of UK or wherever, not just inter-connections from 1 UK to another " the man at Ofcom told me so a few years ago in a conversation while I quiered a £2000 bill, he said Guernsey number should have been taken from my UK X network calls..... " as dependancies were issued UK numbers by Ofcom at a slightly higher rate connection rate due to these networks customer base size, same as 3 for being the new UK entrant "

Untrue about O2 and IoM. Why guess about calls that you're obviously not making?

Ofcom do set the interconnect termination rates, but unfortunately neither that nor the man's personal opinion about what would be nice is the same as mandating that they should be included in contract bundles. The concept of any inclusive minutes at all was only launched several years after the first mobile phone contracts, and cross-network minutes a few years later still; recently there are some with international minutes included.

If you think that your network should include more destinations in their minutes, canvas them about it, especially their marketing and billing. Or change network.

diamonds

well i was billed at o2 for them ! after leaving the £2000 bill network i went o2 so left o2 for Orange, whom on the 07744 let me cancel ( after a long exchange in a short time with thier legal dept ), I stayed Orange, re-newed as they offered 2550 X mins for £15 a month - £20 off the £35 I had been paying, this allowed 18185 to be cheap as poss ( all the nets were withdrawing 07 access to dependancies )

wonder if Voda will allow calls to thier subsidaries in Channel Islands before long, its no co-incidence they started partnering in the Channel......2 down, IOM to go

DCFC79

DCFC79 wrote: »

i wish people wouldnt post false info,
Jersey is a crown dependency but it isn't part of the UK and the same with IOM

i quoted from wikipedia as it said jersey is a crown dependency, the way i see it is that jersey isnt part of the UK, it is however a separate possession of the crown.

diamonds

indeed ^

redux

diamonds wrote: »

( all the nets were withdrawing 07 access to dependancies )

wonder if Voda will allow calls to thier subsidaries in Channel Islands before long, its no co-incidence they started partnering in the Channel......2 down, IOM to go

Three networks include many or all of them, and one of those increased the range of included destinations earlier this year

Despite the name, those networks are not subsidiaries of Vodafone