Aircraft and babies

tinkerbell84

jyonda wrote: »

Kilo for kilo Kids pay more for the same seat. You weigh more therefor you cost more to transport (even after losing 29lbs on the easy peasy low carb diet).

As for the rest of your rant :eek:

You can try to sweeten it up with icons and a fluffy moniker but it sounds bitter to me.

I'm not in the least bit bitter!

Given that passengers aren't weighed to get on flights, the weight of any occupant of any seat is irrelevant. Flights full of children wouldn't have cheaper seats, because that isn't how it works.

My council tax pays for lots of services for children which i don't use, so it probably evens out somewhere along the line.

jyonda wrote: »

If you're really bothered about the state of UK children then you could try and do something positive to make a difference or just whine about it on a public forum hoping others will join in.:grouphug:

jyonda wrote: »

By quoting my post, copying my red font and using it to have a supposedly off topic rant at so called doting parents and badly behaved kids I take that as a personal dig at me, my parenting and my kids which you might understand if I take offence at.:mad:

that wasn't the intention. You took the discussion away from the plane issues and onto society needing children. I took your red font and large letters to mean you were shouting.

I countered your point in the same font and colour, not to have a dig at you, but to answer you. Do you take everything so personally?

jyonda wrote: »

PS: You don't work for Ryanair do you?:p

:rotfl:

I've never even flown ryanair!! I work for myself, but i travel extensively

ynot2005

tinkerbell84 wrote: »

Badly behaved children (who have never been disciplined by their doting parents) are destroying society

OT, but true nonetheless.

yes i have to agree, kids don't, can't get disciplined by anyone can they?,and then its someone elses fault when their children are running amok with hoods on

feral teenagers is what they are, they can hardly hold a conversation and eat with a knife and fork, and their baseball caps touch their noses so you can't see them.

they think winston churchill is the dog from the insurance advert, you get the picture

bestpud

Babies and toddlers I can cope with - even crying ones. I think with littlies (under about 18 months) it comes down to luck as much as anything tbh - they may be fine or they may hate it and get fractious but either way the parent is not to blame imo.

But children of say three and over can be a right pain, and I blame the parents for the unruly ones.

I don't think I'd pay a premium to get away from children as it stands at present though, as children are out numbered on most flights and I find most of them know how to behave. However, if it became even slightly popular, the 'child' fights would be worse as there would be a higher ratio of children to adults.

So, no, I wouldn't pay to get away from children but I may if I was faced with a flight that was likely to have at least one child in every row!

I agree with the comment about the position of their feet though! They are in the 'wrong' place and it can be very easy for them to accidentally tap the seat in front. We find this with dd(7) in the car, as we have little leg room behind DH when he is driving, and it is actually easier for my 5'7" tall dd(16) to sit behind him than dd(7) because she can't bend her knees into a proper sitting position. Not saying this can't be controlled with half decent supervision but rather it can be easily done by the best behaved child.

What I find more annoying is adults who get up and down a lot and use the head rest of the seat in front to pull themselves up out of the seat!

jyonda

@Tinkerbell

Given that your coucil tax has nothing to do with airline profits how do you figure it all evens out? Your council tax pays for essential services YOU use. If you were really paying to subsidise decent schools, social welfare and childcare then some of the problems you complain about would not exist. And labelling lots of kids as;

'dysfuntional, uneducated oiks that can't take any responsibility and are of little use to society' .....does sound rather harsh. Let's hope they aren't the ones spoon feeding you in your twighlight years.

If anyone took the discussion away from the point of kids on planes it was you! Remember when you went off topic in post 65? Look, just watch 'Children of Men' it's a really good film and it's got Michael Caine in.....

jackomdj

When we flew this year our DD's were 18 months & almost 4.

The flight out was perfect!

The flight home was fine until the man infront reclined his seat so DD had about 2 inches between the seat & her face, until then I was making a point of telling her not to touch or kick the chair infront, once this happened I stopped saying it so much as I could not even hold a book to read to her! Also when landing our eldest who had been asleep woke once the seatbelt signs came on & was desperate for a wee & she worked herself into such a state. We taxi'd around the whole airport & once we stopped everyone stood up - I had to excuse myself past everyone to get to the toilet & luckily the air steward let her use it!

We have already booked our 2009 holiday to France - & we will be driving!

Nicky

tinkerbell84

jyonda wrote: »

@Tinkerbell

Given that your coucil tax has nothing to do with airline profits how do you figure it all evens out? Your council tax pays for essential services YOU use. If you were really paying to subsidise decent schools, social welfare and childcare then some of the problems you complain about would not exist. And labelling lots of kids as;

'dysfuntional, uneducated oiks that can't take any responsibility and are of little use to society' .....does sound rather harsh. Let's hope they aren't the ones spoon feeding you in your twighlight years.

If anyone took the discussion away from the point of kids on planes it was you! Remember when you went off topic in post 65? Look, just watch 'Children of Men' it's a really good film and it's got Michael Caine in.....

Seen it.

Think your (huge red) statement in post 64 took us off topic actually

I pay council tax on 3 properties - I don't use many services in any of them. No it's not directly linked to airline profits, but i pay towards services (schools, social services, social housing, refuse collection) that others don't, in the same way as children paying for a seat will be subsidising some adults. That's life!

shellsuit

Oh what a miserable bunch! (some posters here, not all)

Were you not all children once upon a time?

I've been on a few flights that have had many babies and children on them and I've never heard a peep out of them.

Maybe some of you have had bad experiences, but please, don't tar all children and parents with the same brush.

I'd rather sit next to a crying baby for 5 hours, than a selfish ignorant adult who claims all the area around them as their own.

sturll

shellsuit wrote: »

Oh what a miserable bunch! (some posters here, not all)

Were you not all children once upon a time?

I've been on a few flights that have had many babies and children on them and I've never heard a peep out of them.

Maybe some of you have had bad experiences, but please, don't tar all children and parents with the same brush.

I'd rather sit next to a crying baby for 5 hours, than a selfish ignorant adult who claims all the area around them as their own.

:T

Couldn't agree more.

ljbnotts

Just read through this thread with interest. I am a frequent flyer and have done long haul, short haul, scheduled and chartered flights. On the whole the children seem to be OK. You expect some noise, fair enough.

However, on a recent flight to Mexico we flew premium economy, for the extra leg room. It was a night flight and was a 333 configuration. We had the middle 3 seats and after we had eaten and the cabin lights were dimmed, everyone recline their chairs, including everyone in front of me and the rest of my party. I wrapped up in my blanket and reclined my chair. Should have been no problem until the guy behind stood up and stared shaking my chair to wake me up. I took my eye mask off and looked at him. He then demanded that i put my chair up as his toddler didn't have enough room. I said no as i wanted to sleep and everyone else had their chairs reclined. He then got quire aggressive to wards me.

The situation was this, they had 3 seats for 4 people. so his toddler had to sit in his knee. They paid the extra for premium economy but wouldn't buy the child a seat. (she was about 18 months old).

I refused and tried to go back to sleep, to which the man then shouted in a very quite cabin, I'm going to make the next 7 hours hell for you by waking my little girl up so she can annoy you by screaming and kicking your chair. I very calmly replied I'm sorry you feel the need to do that but i have paid for my seat and want to recline it to go to sleep, like everyone else in this cabin.

Next thing he wakes his toddler up, who does start to scream. I put my earphones in and couldn't hear her. Then he starts kicking my chair.

After this aggressive behavior i called for an air steward who decided to ignore my buzzer.

All the time the man behind was drinking more and getting more aggressive, shouting rude comments etc

To top things off he then stood up, lent over my chair and said

You want to watch out when we get off this plane, because if i get to your luggage before you, your be sorry. You also want to get out of this airport quickly or you'll end up in a and e.

By this point i was actually quite scared. My parents who i was flying with also got quite annoyed at this and my dad had words with the guy behind who then shut up. I did eventually get to sleep, but couldn't get over the fact that a parent would deliberately wake a small child up to give others grief. I should have taken it further as i think that because this drunk man was using threating and intimidating behavior. The cabin crew knew what was going on but wouldn't do anything.

Based on this i certainly would pay extra to sit in a different part of the cabin.

On the other hand I've sat next to babies in bassinets and they have been enchanting.

Based on everything, i think alcohol and parenting skills come in to it more than just a noisy baby.

I didn't mean to write so much but wanted to put this experience out there.

meester

ljbnotts wrote: »

All the time the man behind was drinking more and getting more aggressive, shouting rude comments etc

To top things off he then stood up, lent over my chair and said

You want to watch out when we get off this plane, because if i get to your luggage before you, your be sorry. You also want to get out of this airport quickly or you'll end up in a and e.

Based on this i certainly would pay extra to sit in a different part of the cabin.

Nasty violent men can get wound up by anything, what's your point?