help with toilet training adult dog..

Milford_Cubicle

Go steady with tomatoes as they can be toxic in large amounts - I know the plant itself certainly is.
I've bought a couple of bags of frozen baby carrots for my pup, I know it's different because she's a baby and doing the whole teething thing, but they're cheap and dogs of all ages love them. And we eat them too

You can always give your dog a whole carrot to nosh on. And if she's a really good girl, raw bones can be given (not cooked!) such as whole chicken wings, lamb or beef knuckles, ribs etc. And raw eggs go down a treat too
Many dog owners feed the BARF (bones and raw food) diet which I'd love to do with mine, but I'm lazy and don't have the time and inclination. So, she gets kibble instead. Which incidentally is also good for treats. You could buy a 2kg bag of a really good brand of dried dog food such as James Wellbeloved and use that as treats. We certainly know how to pamper our pooches!!

If she associates a good days toileting and behaviour with a super yummy treat then you should have no problems with her in the future (fingers crossed )

foreign_correspondent

Milford_Cubicle wrote: »

Go steady with tomatoes as they can be toxic in large amounts - I know the plant itself certainly is.

Whilst I agree about the plant being toxic, to both dogs and humans, I researched tomatoes and could not find any reputable information that ripe tomatoes are toxic at all to dogs - I grow them and the dog loves coming into the greenhouse to beg for a few cherry toms!

Lots of people also put tomato juice or ketchup onto dogs food to stop their wee creating yellow patches on the lawn, and whilst I think this may not be a good idea due to the added salt (and sugar in ketchup) I think if there were any toxicity probems it would have been noted by now. Hope so anyway cos my dog is a big tomato fan!

Milford_Cubicle

I think it's the same as anything - like caffeine and chocolate is poisonous to us in large amounts but in moderation is fine.

My pup has taken a great liking to peanut butter, I can't imagine it's very good for her, but she only gets a small amount as a 'bung' for her Kong. Fortunately she's doesn't have a nut allergy

I've just stood in the kitchen for half an hour making cheese treat bags, a £1.50 block of Tesco Value cheddar goes a really, really, really long way! There's about 30 bags in the freezer now of 30 each teeny cheese cubes. And that wasn't even a full block of cheddar! If my pup doesn't learn decent recall and heel when we start our walks with cheese and hotdogs as treats then I'll be despairing

foreign_correspondent

It's a bit if a minefield isnt it!!! - I never give dogs chocolate as I would rather they didnt develope a taste for it, however, despite all this Badger did manage to nick and eat a big chunk of green and blacks last year - rang the vet who said watch her overnight and dont panic! - luckily she was fine!

However, I would not give tomatoes if I thought they were even moderately toxic, but can't find any clear info - apparently vets even recommend them sometimes to replace pottassium if needed!

If anyone has any reliable info regarding tomato I would appreciate a link!

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ps we are going a bit off topic now, but as we have already established, cheese is foolproof - so if in doubt - cheese!

Milford_Cubicle

Yes, sorry about the off topicness.

Cheese for the win!

edit
Found this about the reason for tomatoes being a no-no:

"These contain atropine which can cause dialated pupils, tremors and irregular heartbeat. The highest concentration of atropine is found in the leaves and stems of tomato plants, next is the unripe (green) tomatoes and then the ripe tomato"

foreign_correspondent

hmm - i just googled atropene and got this-

Tomatoes contain lycopene, vitamin A and C and over 72 different studies have shown that tomatoes have the ability to lower the risk of cancers. There are however some things to consider before giving your dog and cat tomatoes.

If your pet has an inflammatory condition such as arthritis, limit the amount you give because tomatoes can aggravate symptoms. Don't let you dog eat tomato plants or unripened, green tomatoes as they contain atropine, which has been linked to heart arrhythmias and other complications. The highest concentration of atropine is found in the leaves and stems of tomato plants, with less in unripe (green) tomatoes, and even less in ripe (red) tomatoes. Tomatoes (plant and fruit) contain tomatine, an alkaloid. As the fruit ripens, the tomatine is metabolized meaning that ripe tomatoes are unlikely to be problematic for animals. Clinical signs of tomato plant poisoning include lethargy, drooling, difficulty breathing, colic, vomiting, diarrhoea or constipation, dilated pupils, paralysis, cardiac effects and central nervous system signs (e.g. muscle weakness, tremors, seizures). All parts of the plant except the tomato itself are poisonous to humans although some people are sensitive to the ripe fruit also.
http://naturalanimalcare.com/catalog/article_info.php?articles_id=4

Its also the toxin in deadly nightshade apparently, part of the same family - but it is present i such low amounts in ripe tomatoes that it doesnt pose a threat to humans - it looks like the jury is still out on this one, but I will probably let Badger still have the odd one!

Milford_Cubicle

I can't imagine it's going to do any harm in a healthy dog, I suspect the caution lies with pups, older dogs and those with underlying conditions. Again, same as everything I suppose!!

So, nothavingfun, are you having any fun yet?

nothavingfun..

AGHHH!

Sorry to drag up this old thread, but after initial improvement things have been steadily getting worse....

She now goes anywhere and everywhere in the house - wherever I can't see her basically! She has also started eating cat poo out the litter tray and makes a huge mess with litter everywhere!

I got her a crate yesterday, and left it open, and spent a few mins a few times thru the day throwing treats/toys into it, and she seemed to quite like it - she even went and lay in there of her own accord - bingo! thinks i - if i take it slowly i'll have her crate trained! so i left the crate up overnight with the door open..... this morning she'd wee'd in it

I have now put her on a long lead with me, and am keeping her with me constantly, because i just can't trust her she has reverted to not going outside when i am with her again - in fact the other day on a walk she stopped and ran off mid poo because she realised i was watching

i'm struggling so much with her, and i know its not her fault, but i just wish i could figure out how to remedy this, as its costing me a fortune not only in time, but also in cleaning stuff!!!

pboae

nothavingfun.. wrote: »

AGHHH!

Sorry to drag up this old thread, but after initial improvement things have been steadily getting worse....

She now goes anywhere and everywhere in the house - wherever I can't see her basically! She has also started eating cat poo out the litter tray and makes a huge mess with litter everywhere!

I got her a crate yesterday, and left it open, and spent a few mins a few times thru the day throwing treats/toys into it, and she seemed to quite like it - she even went and lay in there of her own accord - bingo! thinks i - if i take it slowly i'll have her crate trained! so i left the crate up overnight with the door open..... this morning she'd wee'd in it

I have now put her on a long lead with me, and am keeping her with me constantly, because i just can't trust her she has reverted to not going outside when i am with her again - in fact the other day on a walk she stopped and ran off mid poo because she realised i was watching

i'm struggling so much with her, and i know its not her fault, but i just wish i could figure out how to remedy this, as its costing me a fortune not only in time, but also in cleaning stuff!!!

That's your clue, that is a classic symptom of a dog that has been harshly punished during toilet training. E.g. they get caught in the act of pooing indoors, get a hiding for it, owner assumes the dog will learn not to poo in the house, what the dog actually learns is not to poo when/where the owner might catch them.


Aside from that she sounds like a very stressed and anxious dog. You need to get professional help with this, it *is* fixable, but there are too many variables to get advice on the net, and if you get it wrong you'll make it worse.

Find a good trainer or behaviourist (the latter would be better but good ones can be hard to find) and get her properly assessed and a training plan in place.

nothavingfun..

thanks pboae

i've taken your advice got someone coming to see us on friday.

when i first read your post about her being anxious, i thought nahhhh! but thinking about it she is very very needy and clingy - to the point where if i hug ds or stroke one of the cats she butts in, licking like mad and pawing, and she follows me round the house too, and barks like a thing possessed when left outside shops etc - tho she is ok after 10 mins or so if i leave her at home alone

i've kept her on the lead in the house, and am taking her out lots, but in the last 48hrs she has not gone for me and has done it overnight in the house it's driving me insane