Volunteer in school made my life hell 3 years ago.. advice.

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Thank you milliebear00001.
I wasn't aware of that, but it's something I'll defenately keep in the back of my mind for next time.

devils_advocate

milliebear00001 wrote: »

So glad you got some reassurance from the Head. The main thing is that she'll be kept well away from your kids.

I know it's no consolation to you, but an enhanced CRB check (which all people working with children are subject to) should turn up even complaints made against people that never result in charges or convictions. If she abuses you again, you could suggest that she should watch her step or you will make a harassment complaint to the police. This allegation would turn up on her record every time she applied for a job with children in the future - she may not know this.

I have had a clean, enhanced CRB check for quite a few years. As far as I'm aware, nobody has ever made any complaint against me. However,I do find it hard to believe that if anyone made any unproven allegations of misbehaviour of whatever nature against me, these would be recorded on my CRB check, and would be disclosed.

I've never been involved in any neighbour disputes. However, if this were to happen at some time in the future, and the other neighbour were to make allegations of harassment against me in order to try to put pressure upon me, I would certainly not wish these to be recorded on a CRB check, especially if they had been investigated and proven to be groundless.

I appreciate that the behaviour of this woman to the OP is far more significant, and if there is any future occurrence I would certainly recommend that she reports it to the police. However,I don't think that the OP should be encouraged to make threats which would not result in the OP's desired aim.

Nicki

devils_advocate wrote: »

However,I do find it hard to believe that if anyone made any unproven allegations of misbehaviour of whatever nature against me, these would be recorded on my CRB check, and would be disclosed.

Enhanced crb checks may contain details of "non-conviction" information at the discretion of the local chief constable. This would include acquittals and complaints made to the police about the applicant. Not everything would be included, but I would expect that an "unproven allegation" of harassment of a woman and her pre-school age children would show up on an enhanced crb check of someone wanting to work with young children.

milliebear00001

Yes that's right. A 'noisy neighbour' allegation (for example) almost certainly wouldn't be thought worth recording, but harassment such as this is a serious allegation, and almost certainly would be recorded. It would not show on an ordinary CRB check, but would on an enhanced one. This change was made in the light of the Soham inquiry where several allegations of violence towards a child had been made against Ian Huntley, but not recorded on his record as no charges were ever brought.

Also, a CRB check only lasts as long as a single employment. If you change jobs, a new one must be applied for, so any reports in the interim would show on the new one.

andyrules

If I were the head I would be a bit alarmed if these attacks had no cause (not saying they have as you have already explained). This kind of random behaviour is unpredictable, and that is undesirable when in a childcare/teaching post. Working with children requires you to be totally objective, fair and equal, and this woman has shown a vindictive and malicious streak in singling out a vulnerable individual (vulnerable not in crb terms, but during a crisis point of life)

Back to the crb - it is my understanding that all complaints involving children show up - was it not the fact that Ian Huntley had a string of unrevealed complaints against him that caused the furore?

If she is still abusing you (in what way?) then I would go back to the police - your child at school may re-open her spite towards you.

btw - crbs have to be renewed every 3 years. FYI -Information showing on the employer's copy will not necessarily show on the owner's copy.

[Deleted User]

I'd like to add a few things, in my original post I mentioned she had called me a snob.The reason we didn't get on and caused the abuse to start was becasue we had very different "lifestyles", there is a lot I know about her that means I don't think she's suitable to work with children.
The reason we didn't get on is she spent her days stoned and I didn't get on board with that, its not my thing at all.

I have concerns around her being around my children because of her abusive behaviour towards me and my children, but I think she shouldn't be around children for many reasons including her fondness of smoking pot.

I have felt all day that I have a responsibility to inform the head, however this could now make me look vindictive, and if her CRB has come back clean then it's my word against hers and a whole lots of trouble i will cause myself in terms of possibly seeing her agian and her retaliating.

So in light of this post, anyone have any more ideas on what I should do?

Should I leave it as it is, for fear or looking like I'm trying to cause trouble, or risk her confronting me. Or is it my duty to speak out further?

SL X

choccymoose

Employers do not recieve the CRB, it is the propery of the employee/ volunteer, they just have to show the origional document recieved from the CRB company and the employer takes a copy of the serial number. The CRB is the property of the employee/volunteer. If she is a student her she would have shown her CRB to the college/ NVQ training establishment, who would in turn have a contract of some kind with childcare providers/schools to ensure that their students are CRB'd

Umnfortunately I have had experience of a student who had a record of GBH 3 years ago and she was still given an enhanced CRB, although once qualified had found it hard to aquire a job.

Choccy

devils_advocate

I don't wish to draw attention away from the serious problems that this woman has caused the OP.

However, notwithstanding the Huntley case, I still find it absolutely amazing that unsubstantiated allegations will appear on extended CRB disclosures. To twist the circumstances of this case, assume the OP herself worked with children and was subject to extended CRB disclosure. What would happen if as part of the harassment campaign by this woman, she had reported the OP for harassment? This would have then have shown up on the OP's CRB disclosure, with subsequent consequences for her employment.

This question on CRB disclosures is straying off topic, and I'll therefore shut up on it, but pick it up on another thread, if necessary.

Sallylizzie, FWIW I believe you did the right thing in talking to the head, and voicing your concerns.I'm glad that he responded in a way that gives you a reassurance. If this behaviour from this woman is continuing, and it obviously upset you, I would certainly recommend that you go to the police. All the best.

choccymoose

I totally understand where you are coming from, however it is really difficult if she is a student as I mentioned in my other post. In theory if she is stoned whilst on placement, the teachers would pick up on this and raise concerns, the same with the college. It is hard for colleges to refuse people a place on a childcare course if incidents/ convictions raised on the CRB do not directly involve children. The problem will come when she applys for jobs. This probably does'nt help but my advice would be to play it cool, as you say you do not want to make it look like you are being vindictive, you have raised your concern with the head give him time to address the situation.

and please stay calm and keep the upper hand - i know its hard when children are involved but do not lower yourself. :-)

milliebear00001

Yes, Ian Huntley had several accusations made against him. He was questioned by police and no charges were brought as the child/ren concerned were not deemed reliable enough to go to court. This was before the days of the enhanced CRB disclosure however, and before the days of police forces consistently sharing information, and so he slipped through the net when he applied to work as a school caretaker. His CRB check would only have shown charges and convictions NOT complaints and closed investigations. If the same thing happened today, all previous accusations would show on his enhanced disclosure (hopefully!) and clearly, he would not be employed in a school. The enhanced disclosure can also check information held by a vast array of other organisations, not just the police force.

It isn't correct that CRB checks 'expire' - the organisation that requested it may want it renewed then, but that is at their discretion. Also, the copy that the named individual receives should record exactly the same information as that on the copy sent to the counter-signer. I don't know if it's compulsory to record all complaints relating to children.