TelecomPlus Exposed

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Dear Martin,

Your name is Martin is it not... its about time you stopped winding TP reps up isn't it.

Your time is up you've been rumbled... but no doubt you will not put this up on the screen either as you failed to display my previous mail when I said there was a 'plant' on the site

AJH

vanoonoo

Dear Martin,

Your name is Martin is it not... its about time you stopped winding TP reps up isn't it.

Your time is up you've been rumbled... but no doubt you will not put this up on the screen either as you failed to display my previous mail when I said there was a 'plant' on the site

AJH

messages don't get vetted before appearing, I suspect that as a guest of the site, you possibly didn't fill in all the required information prior to submitting the message you talk about. please, feel free to share the information with us again - I for one would be delighted to find out the names of the "plants" on this site. as far as I am aware there are only a few planks. but what is a consonant between friends?

Smartasss

Even more interesting........

In his latest 'cryptic' post, 'guest' Alan John Howes (who has previously posted a link to his website which describes him as a Senior Exec at Telecom+), has now used the identical e-mail address of the other "guest" who posted above under the name of ajhnumerouno@hotmail.com!

jg

Even more interesting........

Just read this thread for the first (and last) time. I must say I didn't find any of it interesting....

Lewis_Gerolemou

As they say in Parliament "Here Here" or is it "Hear Hear" or even "Here Hear"
Lewis Gerolemou

COS

Even more interesting........

In his latest 'cryptic' post, 'guest' Alan John Howes (who has previously posted a link to his website which describes him as a Senior Exec at Telecom+), has now used the identical e-mail address of the other "guest" who posted above under the name of ajhnumerouno@hotmail.com!

Well done Smartass for spotting that ;D You don't have to be stupid to be TP's Senior Exec but it obviously helps :P

Iffy_Wallet

I am new to all this - not being a distributor or sales person for anybody. I'm even new to Money Saving Expert. However, buying some very expensive gas and electric it would be nice to sort the matter out. Who knows, if TelecomPlus prove to be a good bet, one might consider having a punt at being a distributor.

Declaration over. Now - first things first.

Martin says:

Therefore providing they are honest and upfront i have no problem with them or them posting on the site. I suggest people who want to check out TP G&E supply use https://www.energylinx.co.uk. If it turns out to be cheapest, great - and then if you want to go to a TP distributor, as it doesn't cost you anymore - you may as well give them the commission.

OK zoom off to https://www.energylinx.co.uk -
Area N.W England ie Norweb area.
Don't have accurate kWh figures to hand at the moment.

Approx annual spendings on fuel:

Supplier: British Gas / Dual Fuel
Mode: Fixed Monthly DD payments
Gas: 350 approx per year
Elec: 165
Payment required - DD

Select option:
"Include tariffs with unusual terms and conditions"

Results:


SupplierTariff_Name
Service_RatingSavingsNew_Cost
Utilitaget180
N/a£102.13£412.87
Utilitaget130
N/a£98.29£416.71
Utilitaget80
N/a£97.11£417.89
EquipowerEquipower
80%£91.81£423.19
London_EnergyEnergy_Online
81%£89.18£425.82
Seeboard_EnergyEnergy_Online
81%£89.18£425.82
SWEB_EnergyEnergy_Online
81%£89.18£425.82
ScottishPowerOnline_Energy_No_Standing_Charge
84%£88.75£426.25
ScottishPowerOnline_Energy_Standard
84%£88.69£426.31
Telecom_PlusElectricity_and_Gasplus_Std
73%£78.98£436.02
Atlantic_Electric_and_GasDirect_No_Standing_Charge
80%£76.55£438.45
Atlantic_Electric_and_GasDirect
80%£76.54£438.46
London_EnergyStandard
81%£75.82£439.18
Seeboard_EnergyStandard
81%£75.82£439.18
SWEB_EnergyStandard_No_Standing_Charge
81%£75.82£439.18
Telecom_PlusElectricity_and_Gasplus_Light
73%£72.53£442.47
PowergenAge_Concern_Energy80%
£63.11£451.89
Scottish_Hydro_ElectricAirMiles_Standard
87%£58.44£456.56
Scottish_Hydro_ElectricStandard87%
£58.44£456.56
Southern_ElectricAirMiles_Standard87%
£58.44£456.56
Southern_ElectricStandard
87%£58.44£456.56
SwalecAirMiles_Standard
87%£58.44£456.56
SwalecStandard87%
£58.44£456.56
Telecom_PlusElectricity_and_Gasplus_High
73%£53.55£461.45
PowergenDual_Energy_Online
80%£49.00£466.00
Scottish_Hydro_ElectricAir_Miles_Super_(NSC)
87%£45.38£469.62
Southern_ElectricAir_Miles_Super_(NSC)
87%£45.38£469.62
SwalecAir_Miles_Super_(NSC)
87%£45.38£469.62
Scottish_Hydro_ElectricRSPB_Energy
87%£40.44£474.56
Southern_ElectricRSPB_Energy
87%£40.44£474.56
SwalecRSPB_Energy
87%£40.44£474.56
npowerJuice_Standard
82%£39.27£475.73
npowerStandard
82%£39.27£475.73
Scottish_Hydro_ElectricAirMiles_Super
87%£36.00£479.00
Scottish_Hydro_ElectricPremier_Saver
87%£36.00£479.00
Southern_ElectricAirMiles_Super
87%£36.00£479.00
Southern_ElectricPremier_Saver
87%£36.00£479.00
SwalecAirMiles_Super
87%£36.00£479.00
SwalecPremier_Saver
87%£36.00£479.00
PowergenStandard
80%£29.78£485.22
ScottishPowerNo_Standing_Charge
84%£21.24£493.76
ScottishPowerStandard
84%£21.17£493.83
PowergenCapped
80%£14.93£500.07
Utilitaget280N/a
£3.94£511.06
British_GasStandard
72%£0.00£515.00



I had rather hoped, egged on by TelecomPlus suggestions that there may be upto 150 pounds savings to be had. Hmmn, well not in this household. The best figure for TelecomPlus would appear to be £78.98 which isn't to bad at all. It suggests that Brigtish Gas dual fuel isn't wildly competitive. However, if TelecomPlus are the cheapest I would expect to see them at the top of the table.

Of course, this information is just a snap shot from the Energylinx site. I've ignored the "Incentives" column for now also. Plus customer service counts for a lot. TelecomPlus would seem to get a "Service Rating" of " 73%", whatever that means.

Ok, Utilita are talking about a 3 year contract, so that muddies the water slightly.

The government have started a initiative recently, advising people to save themselves some money on utilities.

So I suppose that the days of utilities from British Gas are looking numbered in this household.

But is TelecomPlus jumping out of the table shouting "me me me" ??

And should everybody be getting evangelical about TelecomPlus??

Probably no and no. Interesting question though.

alandisney

I don't quite understand the last few messages but would confirm my own thoughts on Tplus. They are almost certainly not the UK's cheapest supplier of Gas and electricity at any level of use in any area.

To determine who is cheapest you must look at every supplier and calculate the standing charges, kw/hr rates, membership fees. annual discounts, rebates, dual use etc. Only then do you get a true picture. My own elaborate calculations show that Tplus never get better than about 4th-5th place. The website comparison sites are useless as they place in first position those companies who offer the best introduction rates.

Charles Wigoder, chief executive of Tplus recently wrote to me stating "the internet comparison sites need to be taken with a generous dose of salt. They make their living through commissions paid by the companies they recommend, and the comparisons are often neither accurate or impartial".

He also stated that they claim to be the UK's cheapest domestic gas and electricity supplier based on 3 consumption levels of low, medium and high. I live in a 3 bedroom bungalow, highly insulated with a gas condensing boiler but he surprisingly puts my usage at double that of a high user?

He did accept however at the time of my writing that Powergen Online were cheaper than Telecom Plus.

Now that Powergen have again put up their prices, calculating usage rates for his definition of low, medium and high usage, Atlantic Gas and Electricity come out on top for medium and high usage but Powergen Online remain in first position for low usage. Take everything that anyone from Telecom plus says, with a pinch of salt. If they were mathematically educated and honest, they would not sell this product to an unknowing consumer.

alandisney

I have just today received my post which includes a letter from the Advertising Standard Authority. I am being told by them that T+ have agreed to withdraw the statement that they are the cheapest suppliers of gas and electricity and will be destroying shortly all marketing material containing the above phrases. Hope this will now mean that anyone declaring to be the cheapest is "taken with a pinch of salt".

Iffy_Wallet

Well Alan, it is a pity. They could be quite a reasonable supplier, but when they appear to be stretching credibility, it may put people off a bit.

Also it is a pity that they

will be destroying shortly all marketing material containing the above phrases.

I heard wispers that some of the materials were funded by reps. I don't know how true that it. If so it might mean that reps would be carrying the can for someone else's actions.

But I suppose that is a different matter, so I shouldn't go there .... :-X