Are we as a society basically broken?

Realy

WhySoHard wrote: »

To be honest our moral fibre is probably no worse off than it was during the Victorian era, back when there were gin palaces, and loads of women were whoring and there was open sewage in the streets and poor people's lives were worth less than nothing.

No thats blackpool (only kidding any blackpool people out there;) .)

dannyboycey

casper_uk wrote: »

Don't blame the government that has done more then any other to destroy peoples civil liberties. Blame the Tories unbelievable lol

I'm not blaming the tories, I'm blaming Thatcher. I'm biting my lip hard because I could write a book on how many of the ills of today's society can be traced back to her policies.... including, dare I say it, the current credit crunch!

dannyboycey

WhySoHard wrote: »

To be honest our moral fibre is probably no worse off than it was during the Victorian era, back when there were gin palaces, and loads of women were whoring and there was open sewage in the streets and poor people's lives were worth less than nothing.

I used to live somewhere like that.

avinabacca

john.xs wrote: »

its amazing how many people are in process of flitting to oz,canada and nz and each and everyone of them are rounded generally law abiding people .mmm now i think about it wheres my passport?

No chance, mate - they'll only let you in if you've something to offer their country....

Conrad

Flags and national borders are merely temporary Human constructs. In the end we will come to think of ourselves as Humans of planet Earth, with no barriers or borders.
The sun has I think 5bn years left. Homosapiens have only just emerged, we are just in infancy and have far to go.

Think how different we are from 200 years ago, then imagine what we will be like in 200 yrs, 2000 yrs, 20,000 yrs, 20million years and so on.

All these infant tantrums will be little more than a distant dim echo in the shrouds and depths of time.

People cling to infant notions of culture and history attatching imports to barriers and ways of being without realising we are right at the beginning. 1000 years of history to us seems to bring with it entrenched cultural anchorage, but it is nothing its just a blink.
In 50,000 years it will be all but forgotton, in 500,000 in 5m just imagine.......

I would say in 5,000 years we will have colonised many other planets within goldilocks zones, and those less habitable we will have learned to alter.
We will then drift into separate planetary races, light years from one another. All these petty spuabbles we have now will be just footnotes in some old text book.

Conrad

WhySoHard wrote: »

To be honest our moral fibre is probably no worse off than it was during the Victorian era, back when there were gin palaces, and loads of women were whoring and there was open sewage in the streets and poor people's lives were worth less than nothing.

Here here.

In every generation there is this presumption everything is getting worse. You can read it back in 17thcentury press cuttings.

We are just finding our way out of the swamp. If Earth history was represented by 1 dat, we've only arrived in the last second of the last minute before midnight.
People need to recalibrate thier minds in order to make sense of all the chaos. We are all still babies so there will be tons of problems for a long time

mewbie_2

Clearly, doing serious stuff isn't my strong point. Nice to read carolt and NDG's interesting comments on the subject - thanks.

Anyway to lighten the mood I have dredged up a 'joke'.

There was a Jew, an Irishman and a Pakistani sitting in the bar...
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... what a positive example of racial integration.

hethmar

I cant say Ive ever heard the term "inbred morons" used affectionately for Norfolk people? So does that mean only Norfolk people are buying up Lithuanian cottages then?

I dont blame immigrants for tax, the housing shortage or unemployment - I blame the government for not making the right decisions and being mealy mouthed about too many situations that needed some b***s to sort them out.

mewbie_2

hethmar wrote: »

I cant say Ive ever heard the term "inbred morons" used affectionately for Norfolk people? So does that mean only Norfolk people are buying up Lithuanian cottages then?

I apologise, it was an unfair comment made in the heat of the moment. Difficult to keep up the 'holier than thou' attitude through all those posts.

hethmar

carolt wrote: »

your experience sounds dreadful, hethmar (interested to know if your dislike of immigrants predates the attack on your son?) - but I don't think they are typical.

I have to say I dont have a blanket dislike of immigrants carolt - Ive taught immigrants too - and yes, they are just normal people of course they are. I dont like anyone who drags the country down, that includes our home grown low lifes. Those who think they are above the law and I can assure you that this is the feeling in the area, that there is "one law for us and one law for them" - every day I hear stories of begging, of abuse of elderly people in their own homes when they are asked for a fiver by gangs doing the rounds. Its that behaviour I am against. Just as Im against gangs of local youths drinking lager, smoking spliffs and spitting in the high street.

There are "good" newcomers but sadly the immigrants who have come here with good character and the abilities to make a good life will be those who will return to their own countries as the economic balance changes and well, guess who we will be left with.