MSE Parent Club - Part 2

tsstss7

daphne_descends wrote: »

Personally I think babies develop better with space to crawl and things to pull up onto, just my opinion but I don't like anything restrictive, walkers, door bouncers, bumbo's. I did use a door bouncer occasionally though so I am not a snob about any of it! He loved it at first but I got rid soon after as it just seems a bit unnatural to force them upright when they can't hold their own weight IYSWIM. Elliot has been walking for two months now and can practically run and I think it's the freedom he has that has allowed this to develop so well.

Elliot is due his MMR on Thursday, I think I am cancelling and having singles, anyone else done this (I know SusanC has - I think?!) Actually I keep changing my mind, I read one thing and am set on MMR, read another and am dead against it - I don't think you can win.

Archie is due the mmr soon and I'd also like to do singles. Don't know to much about how to go about getting them though....nor how much it will cost me so would appreciate the lowdown on how it goes with Elliott if you go that way. .

The one thing that has turned me off the mmr to be honest is the way they keep changing it ...my ds1 had it at 18mths (or maybe older not sure) and it was one jab - now it's two....so I'm not too sure what's going on with it really and the trust is just not there this time....

Sami_Bee

daphne_descends wrote: »

Personally I think babies develop better with space to crawl and things to pull up onto, just my opinion but I don't like anything restrictive, walkers, door bouncers, bumbo's. I did use a door bouncer occasionally though so I am not a snob about any of it! He loved it at first but I got rid soon after as it just seems a bit unnatural to force them upright when they can't hold their own weight IYSWIM. Elliot has been walking for two months now and can practically run and I think it's the freedom he has that has allowed this to develop so well.

Elliot is due his MMR on Thursday, I think I am cancelling and having singles, anyone else done this (I know SusanC has - I think?!) Actually I keep changing my mind, I read one thing and am set on MMR, read another and am dead against it - I don't think you can win.

I agree with you on the space thing, we kept chris's walker at his nonna's so he only actually used it about once a week, he wasn't a fan of door bouncer much prefers his baby trampoline once he could stand he still goes "bounce bounce, bounce like tigger":T

I had the MMR myself and needed a booster which I had just a week before I got pregnant. Chris has had it too, whats good for the goose is good for the gander as they say
on a serious note I actually have a family friend who's son is severely disabled due to whooping cough vaccine so I know a bit more than some about the bad side effects vaccines can have. there is currently a high instance of measles in cheshire which is very close to us and the singles aren't as affective as the tripple plus the autism link has been disproved by a long and detailed study, and the claims where made from small studies that weren't IMHO detailed enough
There is no way i would risk Chris catching any of the diseases as they are very dangerous hence the need for a vaccine.
There is my 2p worth

daphne_descends

Yes that's how I feel tsstss - though Elliot's my first so no previous experience - but I have some questions that no one seems to know the answer to - like why did it change from 18 to 13 months - it seems awfully young - why did they used to say there MUST be a 3 month gap between single jabs but suddenly it's okay to have a triple? I have read things that say rubella is pointless below adolescence so why is it included? And the booster is given without even checking immunity to see if the first one worked - I find the whole thing a bit scary. It seems very political and I'm not sure the politics of it will have my best interests at heart. I also read that the booster is given purely for the measles vaccine - I can't understand why singles aren't offered. Parents should have a choice. Honestly it is as if we (parents) are not trusted with anything.

I do believe the basic idea - and I would trust that MMR is safe for MOST babies - the vast majority. But I don't have access to a full family history so am concerned if there are auto immune issues as live vaccines should not be given in this case - yet they don't take a history before giving you the MMR anyway - to do so would show doubt in it I suppose.

I have yet to find someone local but I did see prices somewhere that were something like £90 for mumps, £180 :eek: for measles, not sure of rubella. Gulp!

daphne_descends

Sami I am not saying it is dangerous and I have not mentioned autism. That is not my concern. Whether the single or triple provides immunity though is uncertain in any given case and the NHS do not test for immunity (except in pregnant women, when we are tested for rubella - the results of which aren't much good as they wouldn't immunise us if we weren't)

daphne_descends

And I am not risking Elliot catching the diseases. Hence I will be vaccinating one way or the other.

Sami_Bee

I didn't say you were risking him catching it, just I know some people get so confused over it that they never make a decision (i would never accuse any one of not doing the best for their little one :A esp as I don't know you except from a few posts here, I hope i didn't offend you as I didn't mean it like that)

i don't know about the rubella being pointless so young, all I can say is my sister had rubella when she was very young (before she'd had the jabs not sure wot age that would be as she's 26 now) she had no lasting affects and wasn't that ill with it. but I'm not sure if I'm right in thinking that its rubella thats more dangerous to boys I've forgotten most of the facts as it was months ago that I made the decision for Chris

tsstss7

Sami_Bee wrote: »

I didn't say you were risking him catching it, just I know some people get so confused over it that they never make a decision (i would never accuse any one of not doing the best for their little one :A esp as I don't know you except from a few posts here, I hope i didn't offend you as I didn't mean it like that)

i don't know about the rubella being pointless so young, all I can say is my sister had rubella when she was very young (before she'd had the jabs not sure wot age that would be as she's 26 now) she had no lasting affects and wasn't that ill with it. but I'm not sure if I'm right in thinking that its rubella thats more dangerous to boys I've forgotten most of the facts as it was months ago that I made the decision for Chris

Rubella is more dangerous to the unborn afaiak - mumps is the most dangerous to boys I think...and can affect their fertility.

daphne_descends

Not offended, I am very pro-vaccination, and NOT at all anti-MMR but I do have doubts about a one-size-fits-all method of vaccination. I am not happy about the D/T/P jabs that are given at 8/12/16 weeks either but it's a bit late, I did it when I was told to - now I think it's all too much too soon. Apparently it used to be 3/6/9 months but they wanted to catch mother's while they are still going to baby clinics and before they are back at work - I don't think that's a very good reason, myself.

My DS is in nursery 3 days a week as I am back at work so the idea of not vaccinating at all has just never crossed my mind.

I think mumps is worse for boys - well if caught after adolescence it can cause fertility problems. But of course people of that age should be immunised one way or the other!

I do find it frustrating because from my GP's point of view, I am on my own here. I will get no support if I choose to give the singles. If DS were unfortunate enough to catch an illness in between the singles, I would be blamed. But of course if your child catches something before the MMR it's NOT your fault. They just like to blame anyone who goes against what they believe is right for everyone, and that is my problem. But likewise if you have the MMR and it does cause a problem (again, I do not mean autism), then you're on your own too as they would never, ever admit any kind of liability or agree that a vaccination can lead to a problem. So you are damned if you do and damned if you don't!

Js_Other_Half

daphne_descends wrote: »

Elliot is due his MMR on Thursday, I think I am cancelling and having singles, anyone else done this (I know SusanC has - I think?!) Actually I keep changing my mind, I read one thing and am set on MMR, read another and am dead against it - I don't think you can win.

We had singles - DH wasn't too keen, but he let me do it.

tsstss7

Js_Other_Half wrote: »

We had singles - DH wasn't too keen, but he let me do it.

My Oh isn't too keen either but will "let me do it" to so long as he is immunised. I dread to think of the arguments we'd have if I was anti immunisation totally (good job I'm not ).

However DD's explaination above mirrors my concerns to a degree and I know I'll feel happier doing the single jabs this time.

Any tips JS did you have any regrets forking out all that extra money?