Parking ticket in Asda car park - Is this legal, can they take me to court?

Poppy9

morveryn wrote:

It would be a good idea to have some kind of badge for temporary disability. But as you have said these are temporary disabilities. A pain in the bum certainly, but not permanent.
The problems encountered by your family member is what I have had to deal with every day for the past 3 and a half years. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, even for a day.:)

and nor do I.

I have another sister who has a blue badge for a permanent disability. I know the effect this has on people. I also see that there is a support system in place to help her. I have also seen though the devastation for people with temporary disabilities which have badly affected them. Being only a temporary disability they usually do not qualify for help of any sort.

My friend who broke her ankle in January has just returned to work. She cannot drive due to epilepsy (sp?) and has a walk to the bus stop in the morning and from the work place. She had to return to work as she is a single parent and sick pay was ending and she has a mortgage to pay. She is not entitled to DLA or other benefits as her broken ankle is not a temporary disability.

She has had no home help for the past 5 months, no help with transport to get to physio or work. She has been unable to bathe for the last 5 months unless she visits a friend who has a walk in shower.

IMO she is not fit for work. She is still using crutches due to the type of injury and the fact she has arthritis in the other ankle from a similar injury 20 years ago!! She has to have her leg up on a stool all day due to swelling and she is taking painkillers regularly.

It's an apalling system.

IMO everyone in geniune need should have those needs met. I just find it strange on the angry, rude attitude of some disabled people to people they view less disabled than themselves.

danio_2

a) my own back giving out on me while pushing the wheelchair

Thats what carers of permanently disabled people have to deal with everyday

b) everybody deciding to park in the remote corner of the car park so I couldn't open the door wide enough for her to get in. I had to leave her in the chair in the car park, reverse my car out, help her in the car, park back in the space, take the chair back to the shop, come back to take her home.
At least you were able to leave her in a wheechair while you reversed out, most carers wouldn't have that option, The only option they have when inconsiderate people park in disabled spaces is to wait or go home and try another time.

morveryn

Poppy9 wrote:

and nor do I.

I have another sister who has a blue badge for a permanent disability. I know the effect this has on people.

Then you really ought to know better than to take a space designated for a blue badge holder when you did not have one.

I have also seen though the devastation for people with temporary disabilities which have badly affected them. Being only a temporary disability they usually do not qualify for help of any sort.

I know what you mean as it took several years to get my diagnosis, in the meantime nobody knew whether my condition was permanent or temporary but I still had the decency not to take up a parking bay alloted to a blue badge holder because at that time, I did not have a blue badge.

IMO everyone in geniune need should have those needs met. I just find it strange on the angry, rude attitude of some disabled people to people they view less disabled than themselves.

By 'some' I guess you mean little ol' me:D
Its not a matter of who is more or less disabled. Blue badge spaces are for blue badge holders and those that don't qualify should be grateful that they are only inconvenienced for a short time.

Parking in blue badge bays without a blue badge is wrong -end of.

gardnt1

JasonLVC wrote:

I'd like to note, controversially, that the number of times I see disabled badge holders parking and getting in/out of parent child spaces is too numerous to mention. And of course, the pensioners who park in the Parent Child spaces too (old doesn't mean disabled!). No doubt they'd tell me that because some numpty has parked in THEIR spaces, they are forced to park in MY spaces. Two wrongs do not make a right.

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exactly point i was going to make.....I realise that a lot of people are annoyed (quite rightly) at the prospect of abusing disable bays, but the opposite happens too and can be just as annoying. Our local supermarket has probably 20 disabled spaces in front of the entrance and probably 8 parent and child. around the side it also has another bank of disabled by the cashpoints...surely it would be easier to have a cashpoint parking? for those just nipping to the hole in the wall?

Poppy9

morveryn wrote:

By 'some' I guess you mean little ol' me:D

No I never post personally at a person unless they really get my back up.

morveryn wrote:

Parking in blue badge bays without a blue badge is wrong -end of.

Life isn't that black and white. I bet you know, just like I do that there are people who have worked the system and wangled a badge.

I know of two, one ex sister in law and one neighbour. Both have blue badges for exaggerating an everyday injury. I would so love to name and shame them as they both take great delight in telling people how they got them and what they said etc.

Abuse of the spaces is wrong by badge holders and non badge holders. Holding a blue badge does not give you the right to judge others.

Many people don't apply for blue badges out of pride doesn't mean they are not disabled or in need.

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funnyguy wrote:

i would like to know why these supermarket car parks have so many disabled bays in the first place..they are never all used..They provide a good 20/30 spaces in many of them ..and then normally have 2 at the most disable trollies for shopping with.I dont normally see 20/30 disabled people in the supermarket at one time either{no disrespect to disabled people}

As far as I'm aware, using a wheelchair or having the word disabled branded on your forehead is not a requirment for being disabled.

SammyD_2

Surely there are two issues here:

(1) What is the strict legality of it - no badge, then you get a ticket.
(2) What is the "moral" wrong - ie you still might have to pay the ticket, but if you were morally right in parking then noone should be too grumpy.

On Sunday I took my two children (aged 8 months and 2 years) to Tesco in the pouring rain. There were no parent and child parks available. I therefore had to park in a very narrow park (impossible for me to help my son to climb into his car seat) and walk with two children through the busy car park in the rain.

When I got to the parent and child section, I saw two sets of people getting into cars - one was a bloke and his wife, no children, and no obvious issue with mobility - just looked like fat gits. They were parked in the parent / child section. Both legally and morally wrong and made my blood boil.

The other set of people was a man helping a clearly disabled woman - again no children, but while they should not have parked there, they clearly needed the space more than I did, however much of a struggle it was for me. Not morally wrong for them to have done so.

danio_2

Poppy9 wrote:

How is that any different to a normal carer?

Perhaps you would like my life history to decide if I'm qualified as a carer, disabled person or able bodied.

Shall I start with at 14 being knocked down by a car and being left with a permanent back injury which I have endured now for almost 30 years. Does that qualify? Does having permanent back pain, prolapsed discs, spinal deformity qualify me? No not really because for years they fobbed me off with growing pains and even now I'm told by GP that "you've just got to carry on really and keep taking the tablets"

No - ok then. Falling through a glass sky light 18 severing an artery etc. No not really because they just stitched me up and gave me some painkillers

What about falling down a flight of stairs at 21 and aggravating previous back injury. Again, carry on because worse is to come as you get older when arthritis sets in (per GP).

I won't bother you with my other medical history which is a bit gruesome and not really for public discussion.

Caring role. Ummh my mother had a stroke when I was 17 and my Dad a heart attack when I was 20. Both left with disabilities but I suppose I was to young to be classed a carer though the authorities did class me as the breadwinner when assessing benefits.

Then there was nursing my mother through terminal cancer and after her death looking after my father until his death.

Now onto my OH. Knocked over by a car when he was 7 and fracturing his necking. This followed fracturing his skull at 3 when he jumped out his bedroom window (don't ask why).

He too had to care for his sick father who suffered a heart attack when my OH was 15 but lived for another 30 years. During those 40 years my OH as the only local living child had to try to fit in around his work helping his father, which included lifting him from the floor when he had fallen due to fitting, or in one instance a ruptured aneurysism. Also within a few months both his parents had heart bypass surgery. His father eventually died of lung cancer at the age of 80 as he didn't see why he should stop smoking as he was already disabled. Mother still alive and very dependant. Does this qualify for experience as a carer?

No - ok my OH was attacked in the course of his work by two men last year. Left with physical and mental scares. Does this qualify as caring experience.

Then there are my two sisters. How inconvenient of them both to break a leg. I do have other things to attend to, like my own family and work.

Then my elderly aunt who has no children. 1st fall left her with a broken femma, second fall - they discharged her from hospital too early, and she broke her hip. Months of hospital visiting etc she is now in a convelasing home.

Back to my siblings. Brother. Major back problems requring extensive surgery which coulld leave him paralysed (the surgery that is). Trouble is he runs his own business so he has to work. Sister. Very personal problem which has ruined her life. She has been told at the age of 43 that if a certain organ (or is it a muscle) ruptures then she could die.

So don't tell me I don't know how hard it is to live with pain everyday or know how hard it is to care for people.

OK For starters I really couldn't give two hoots about your life history.
You really need to chill out!!! I quoted your points A & B to point out to those(Not only to you) who feel so sorry for themselves because they have a temporary disability that they should think themselves and their carers lucky that they don't have to live like that for a life time....and have more consideration for those who live with disability permanently...

Disabled bay = Blue Badge Holder
No Blue Badge NO Disabled parking

billie19

I think people are getting a little too heated here.

The fact of the matter is that there are some rude arogant gits out there that use disabled/mother & baby spaces because they are too damn idle to walk the extra few yards.

I am not disputing that there are times when people that dont have a permanent disability need to use the parking bays.

My DH is severely disabled - I dont have a problem with any genuine non badge holder using they bays, just the idle sods that have no thought for anybody else.

Yes, there ought to be tempary passes that can be used - but sadly there would still be people that would abuse this system too.

I wish that my husband, kids and I could park the car at the far end of the car park and all walk to the store entrance - but sadly we can't.

juno

I understand (i haven't got any children, so haven't done it) that some supermarkets issue parents with a badge type thing to say they can park in the mother and baby spaces. I think they should do a similar system for people with broken legs and other temporary but still inconvenient difficulties.

Obviously it would be open to abuse, but the fact you have to go to customer services would discourage some, and they could ask for a doctor's note or similar, which people truly in need wouldn't mind supplying.