Being made to go out for food after work

Pretani

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

but in the real world is it worth making a fuss about? You have very little to gain and potentially a lot to lose (they may pay you, or they may tell you not to come, either way you will be remembered as the only one who made a fuss!)

Stop scaremongering. Companies should pay employees wages on these trips.

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

I have to say, when I have managed people I am always aware of the ones who are prepared to do that little bit extra, and the ones who kick up a fuss every time they feel they may have a reason, however petty, and have to be out the door on the dot every time.

Oh, here we go again scaremongering. What next, You've got an MA ?

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

And to be honest, it is the former who tend to be a pleasure to work with, who are the ones I would be first to consider for promotions, and for whom I would tend to have more time for if they needed me to be a bit flexible for them.

You like talking yourself up, don't you?

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

RBK I think you are making the right decision by going, I do not feel this is a conscious attempt to exploit you, merely a social way they have thought of for the staff who are being trained up to pass on the information whilst it is still fresh in their minds.

If they're not paying the wages, they're exploiting you.

Pretani

chuckley wrote: »

!!!! licking your way up the career ladder is pathetic. and shows u r an idiot that will do anything to 'move up'.... and lets be honest manangers arent dumb, they know there r folk out there they can get to do the 'rubbish jobs' or 'stay late'. they dont always respect u for it, more see it as u bein their little skivvy. there will be many that will say trash about u behind your back about it. there is NO evidence to suggest that doing such things moves you up quicker or even gains u respect. if anything you will be looked on as a a little pet!

staying late, attending 'out of work' non compulsory rubbish just shows ur a pushover that will do 'whatever' just to move on up, even if its unpaid.... sorry but unless its an internship u shouldnt be doin that and espesh on a regular basis. ud neva catch me bein taken for a mug.

solid stuff chuckley, employers know who to treat well and who to exploit. That's the best advice offered on this thread and no one has thanked it.:T :T

Work hard, learn hard and you'll not be a pushover. Bosses love employing people who can run their own ship, it gives them a monopoly. Bosses hate people who have to be told what to do.

therealdessie

I can't believe you expect people to thank that illiterate load of tripe!

As a manager of many years, I couldn't give two hoots who is trying to "move up" since funnily enough I judge my employees' ability to take on new responsibilities by a number of criteria.

As a rule of thumb though, those willing to stay late without being asked are generally more conscientious, and more likely to succeed when given new roles. The other side of the coin is people who whine about being asked to do more (even in "txt spk") and feel betrayed when other people are promoted over them.

chuckley

therealdessie wrote: »

I can't believe you expect people to thank that illiterate load of tripe!

As a manager of many years, I couldn't give two hoots who is trying to "move up" since funnily enough I judge my employees' ability to take on new responsibilities by a number of criteria.

not all managers work by the book, some are devious and underhand as they know they can get away with it

As a rule of thumb though, those willing to stay late without being asked are generally more conscientious, and more likely to succeed when given new roles. The other side of the coin is people who whine about being asked to do more (even in "txt spk") and feel betrayed when other people are promoted over them.

yes staying late for 'deadlines' i agree with. in general everyday or so staying late i disagree with. unless u have been slackin theres no need 4 u to stay late. if you have done what you need to do and maybe a bit more why should u work yourself to the ground and 'stay late'?! sometimes you dont even get recognition or its switched back on u! its not always black and white of 'stay late = u will succeed'.

if your 'other side of the coin' para was towards me then u r makin a lot of assumptions! I have been promoted due to my hard work and i have also been 'pushed' back due to my hard work, in two different jobs... it works both ways.

n like I said not all managers play by the book... hence this debate

btw i dont use 'txt spk'.

Mark7799

chuckley wrote: »

btw i dont use 'txt spk'.

yes staying late for 'deadlines' i agree with. in general everyday or so staying late i disagree with. unless u have been slackin theres no need 4 u to stay late. if you have done what you need to do and maybe a bit more why should u work yourself to the ground and 'stay late'?! sometimes you dont even get recognition or its switched back on u! its not always black and white of 'stay late = u will succeed'.

if your 'other side of the coin' para was towards me then u r makin a lot of assumptions! I have been promoted due to my hard work and i have also been 'pushed' back due to my hard work, in two different jobs... it works both ways.

n like I said not all managers play by the book... hence this debate

pinkshoes

All this talk of discrimination in many of the posts is exactly what is wrong with this country!!

razorbladekisses wrote: »

However, I am really not keen on going. I don't like eating out and I have issues with weight as it is and don't want to end up eating pizza (I like it but being thin comes first).

Life is too short to spend it obsessing about your weight. ONE slice of pizza will not make you fat. Everything in moderation... If you're that worried, pile your plate with lettuce and cucumber. People will think you're eating, but it contains virtually no calories. Or jog home!

razorbladekisses wrote: »

As I've said the company is paying for the food but I just don't see why I should be made to give up my free time to go and eat pizza with work colleagues and talk about work. It's not like we are being paid our hourly rate to attend.

I have said to my manager that I do not wish to go but she just said you have to and also the area manager is coming along and wants everyone to attend.

So my question, can they force employees to attend such a thing?

It's JUST a pizza, and the boss probably thinks they're doing something nice for everyone.

No, they can't force you to go, but you might surprise yourself and actually have fun.

Who cares if they're not paying you?? The pizza's free (saves cooking evening meal), and a job isn't just about an hourly rate.

Apologies if I'm wrong, but you give me the impression that you seem to the think this company owes you a living. I personally would not employ someone with an attitude like yours, and by telling your boss that you do not wish to go, without even having a genuine reason why, you come across as whiney and rather pathetic.

chuckley

Mark7799 wrote: »

me too... dunno y u felt to highlight those points.
in order for me to use 'txt spk' id need to do that throughout the paragraphs. i only shorten words a little.

chuckley

Pretani wrote: »

solid stuff chuckley, employers know who to treat well and who to exploit. That's the best advice offered on this thread and no one has thanked it.:T :T

Work hard, learn hard and you'll not be a pushover. Bosses love employing people who can run their own ship, it gives them a monopoly. Bosses hate people who have to be told what to do.

not always... thats the 'flip side', like a power trip.

Sugar_Coated_Owl

Just to update.

The meeting was held the other day after work. We did not go out. People ordered pizza from a nearby pizza place. They only sold pizza so I did not eat anything. It was worth voicing my opinion as the manager ended up giving us an hour off the following day.

[Deleted User]

So, you went from 'out of the office pizza with varied food selection' to 'in the office with limited take-away' option ? Sounds like a poor deal - but i like team dinners and socialising with my colleagues.

I've got a trip to Boston next week - i'll be loosing 1 1/2 days of a weekend and 4 evenings of my own time. Slightly tempted to ask for a day in lieu for that one. I'd never 'kick up a fuss' about it though