Depression Support Thread

absolutebounder

beachbeth wrote: »

Absolutebounder, I hope you don't think Im having a go. I like you on this thread and do agree with a lot of your posts. I agree that these special needs children need to be integrated and have to learn how to behave. However, I had a cousin who was downs syndrome (he is sadly no longer with us) and a daughter who is slightly special needs and so have first hand experience of this. My point was just that you can't reprimand such a child for being badly behaved when they've been under stress. They usually don't know how else to cope with difficulties and to reprimand them wouldn't help at all. Yes, they have to be taught how to behave socially but you don't do this in quite the same way as most children. So to say that just because you've had a bad day you shouldn't take it out on others isn't really what they are doing. They are simply expressing their frustration or anger in the only way they know how.

I hope ive explained this properly!

I dont think you are having a go. you are expressing an opinion which is what makes for discussion. Everyone lookis at things differently which is why we have discussions and what can make forums like discussion time fun (when its not being invaded by trolls) i know depression support is different and like me or not I try to be serious here whereas on DT you can probably take what I say with a pinch of salt.:rotfl:
Humans do logical things and we rely on logic for our actions but it depends on the frame of mind you are in. even a raving nutcase is logical if you look at things from their point of view. kids express their emotions often in a more "crude" form than adults and things like anger are symptomatic of low self esteem. Yes you may work with them differently but if they want to be treated as normally as possible then you must not reward bad behaviour whoever they are. Yes I realise there probably isnt a parent on the planet who hasnt rewarded bad behaviour but it must be kept to a minimum. Even special needs kids work on the pain / pleasure principle.
I love downs syndrome kids as in their own way they are so much fun and it is great that society is now accepting them more.

Horasio

beachbeth wrote: »

What is an inset day? Ive been hearing this expression the past couple of days and haven't heard of it before!

Hope you feeling ok. Life has a way of spoiling your fun just when you start to enjoy yourself doesn't it.

Yes I want to enjoy the run up to Christmas but tbh I find it rather boring.

Inset day - teacher training, kids get the day off so teachers get refresher training course.

Great for kids, a nightmare for parents

shazrobo

absolutebounder wrote: »

I dont think you are having a go. you are expressing an opinion which is what makes for discussion. Everyone lookis at things differently which is why we have discussions and what can make forums like discussion time fun (when its not being invaded by trolls) i know depression support is different and like me or not I try to be serious here whereas on DT you can probably take what I say with a pinch of salt.:rotfl:
Humans do logical things and we rely on logic for our actions but it depends on the frame of mind you are in. even a raving nutcase is logical if you look at things from their point of view. kids express their emotions often in a more "crude" form than adults and things like anger are symptomatic of low self esteem. Yes you may work with them differently but if they want to be treated as normally as possible then you must not reward bad behaviour whoever they are. Yes I realise there probably isnt a parent on the planet who hasnt rewarded bad behaviour but it must be kept to a minimum. Even special needs kids work on the pain / pleasure principle.
I love downs syndrome kids as in their own way they are so much fun and it is great that society is now accepting them more.

sometimes a child with a mental illness, behaves in such a way due to their illness, at that moment in time, they have lost all control, and no matter what punishments are in place, dosent make a jot of difference. like the pychiatrist said to me yesterday, telling my sons to behave when they are having one of their moments, when they have lost all control is like telling an epileptic to stop their fit, its not possible, you just have to try and minimize the harm or damage they cause

Horasio

shazrobo wrote: »

sometimes a child with a mental illness, behaves in such a way due to their illness, at that moment in time, they have lost all control, and no matter what punishments are in place, dosent make a jot of difference. like the pychiatrist said to me yesterday, telling my sons to behave when they are having one of their moments, when they have lost all control is like telling an epileptic to stop their fit, its not possible, you just have to try and minimize the harm or damage they cause

Well said

They know right from wrong but when a person is ill, they can act irrationally.

beachbeth

absolutebounder wrote: »

I love downs syndrome kids as in their own way they are so much fun and it is great that society is now accepting them more.

My cousin was brilliant. He was so funny and made us laugh all the time. He had a great sense of humour and I have really missed him since he died. I do think he was hard work for his parents though and caused them quite a few heart failures over the years!

He used to love coming over to our house and one day decided to come on his own. He left his home, got on a bus and his mum was frantic looking for him. He had no money on him and about an hour later appeared at our house! We still to this day don't know how he managed this with no money! He would have had to catch two buses to get to our house and had never done it before!

shazrobo wrote:

sometimes a child with a mental illness, behaves in such a way due to their illness, at that moment in time, they have lost all control, and no matter what punishments are in place, dosent make a jot of difference. like the pychiatrist said to me yesterday, telling my sons to behave when they are having one of their moments, when they have lost all control is like telling an epileptic to stop their fit, its not possible, you just have to try and minimize the harm or damage they cause

and the trouble with this is that other people, even other parents, are looking at you as if to say "why do you not reprimand that child? He is being so very naughty" and you know they are thinking you are a bad parent.

geminilady wrote:

Sorry there is no comparison between mental illness and getting drunk.People choose to get drunk, people do not choose to have mental illnesses. Lots of people who commit violent acts are sent to psychiatric hospitals instead of prison when the courts have decided they are ill not wicked

Plus, drunks will sober up at some point. Mentally ill people are stuck with it for whatever length of time it hangs around, or forever.

Tulip

Sazbo wrote: »

- Tulip hun, that's not what we agreed, now is it?:D;):D Sxxx

Happy Birthday Anni hun!!!!!!
:T:j:beer::j:T

:bdaycake:


Have a great day,
Much love, Sazzy xxxxxxxx

:rotfl: Saz,so glad you are alright do miss you when you dont post on here but glad you read everything

Katie

Tulip

:hello: Everyone,

Morning! hope all is well,I am fine today I watched tv last night and watched this film called The Breakfast Club,it was so funny in parts and had me in stitches :rotfl: I won a signed Leona Lewis Deluxe album yesterday from her official website and I did it for 4 weeks and I did each entry in poem form and it won me the album,the comp ended yesterday as it was on her bebo page.


love and light,

Katie xxx

Stephb1986_2

Im going for an assessment today for cbt im so anxious about it i feel physically sick

Steph xx

absolutebounder

geminilady wrote: »

Sorry there is no comparison between mental illness and getting drunk.People choose to get drunk, people do not choose to have mental illnesses. Lots of people who commit violent acts are sent to psychiatric hospitals instead of prison when the courts have decided they are ill not wicked

interestingly in America the treatment for alcholism is remarkably similar to that of mental illness. Yes it wasnt the best comparison but it was a metaphor about making excuses and apportioning blame.

absolutebounder

Stephb1986 wrote: »

Im going for an assessment today for cbt im so anxious about it i feel physically sick

Steph xx

Why should you worry about CBT? What do you know about it that makes you sick?