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pboae

Poor poor puppies :-(

Welcome to the dismal world of backyard breeding. I'm afraid there is very little you or anyone else can do for those pups. Unless they clearly need immediate medical treatment, and she is refusing to provide it, then it sounds like their basic needs (food, water, shelter) are technically being met.

If they are lucky she will sell them to unsuspecting new owners, or they may end up with a puppy broker, possibly get sold on to pet shops or through small ads. There are other places they can end up, none of them pleasant.

Please please don't be tempted to encourage anyone to buy the pups off her, not even at a knock down price. As heart breaking as it is to leave them there, every time she makes a profit from a litter, it gives her more reason to breed again.

I'm afraid I don't know anyone Gloucester way, but you could try contacting Teckels. http://www.teckelsanimalsanctuaries.com/ They are pretty overwhelmed with dogs right now (like all rescues) so they may not have anyone spare to look into it, but if there is anyone in the area who could help, they would know and hopefully be able to put you in touch with them.

Also be aware that if an agency does get involved (RSPCA, etc) there is a good chance the pups will end up put to sleep anyway, especially if they have serious hereditary conditions. As heartless as it may sound, painless death in a vet's surgery may still be preferable to some of the other potential futures they have now.

daisykinn1

It's so sad and frustrating!! Any puppies bought will soon be replaced with new litters, it's a puppy factory. God knows what condition the parents are in. You did the right thing not buying a puppy from there, if it's not financially beneficial she'll have to stop...well fingers crossed.

My best friend works as an RSPCA Inspector and their hands are tied in a lot of cases. She told me about one case, they got a tip off about an old lady selling puppies in poor condition. She had 8 large dogs and a litter of puppies in her tiny caravan!! Luckily she was talked into signing them over to the RSPCA but most were put down because of the bad breeding. Some didn't even know how to walk. These people must be mentally ill.

i_am_really_rich!!

Raksha wrote: »

A puppy is like a baby, and until it is physically able to 'hold on' it will wet where ever it happens to find itself. By keeping a pup in a small crate, you are encouraging/teaching it to wee in the crate - this is not 'crate training'.

Be prepared to get up once, possibly twice in the night to let the puppy out and reward it for going outside rather than indoors (but don't forget the relief it will feel just 'going' is a reward too.)

Please don't leave your puppy without water for any length of time, especially if feeding it a dry complete food - their whole system, including that for digesting and the nervous system depends on being sufficiently hydrated. The damage may not be visible in the early years, but how many dogs have 'kidney problems' in later life?

You are not teaching the puppy to wee in the crate. It's well known that a dog will not toilet in it's bed if possible. If the crate is too big then it will move to toilet in another part of the crate. if puppy is sleeping it won't wee. I had my puppy next to my bed so that I could hear him when he woke and was able to take him out. He usually slept from about 11 until about 5 in the early days. Gradually getting later until he could wait until a more respectable 7am. As i said, i NEVER had a night time accident and believe me I have housetrained a lot of puppies and this was by far the smoothest way for me to do it.

Glitterycloud seems to have the best advice so far. Don't fret about it, take the pup out regularly, learn to watch for the 'i want a wee' signs, prepare to be up for a while at a silly time, and most of all enjoy having a puppy, just like having a newborn baby the time passes too quickly and you'll soon find yourself cooing over other pups in the park and wanting another

SallyUK

Oh my God, isn't that so awful.

I can see I'm going to have another sleepless night thinking about those poor dogs being put to sleep!

There's no way I'd ever buy from someone like that, I just wanted someone to go and see for themselves just how bad it is and to see if the pups had got any worse than they were last weekend.

Sally
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HC_2

This thread has brought me to tears. It makes me want to go and buy all of them, but I know the sensible answer - as other posters have said - is not to give her any business and maybe she might give up if she can't sell them.

Suzy_M

Might sound a silly question - but were there children living at the house?

suki1964

daveyliver wrote: »

Be sure not to leave water by the puppy overnight and try to give it a drink some time before settling the dog down.

Sorry - cant agree to this at all

Always always always have fresh water available for a dog - 24 hours a day. I dont even walk my dog without taking water. In the car I have a 2 litre bottle and I have two smaller bottles that fit in my pockets if we are going to be walking wheres theres no springs, streams, rivers or ponds.

When toilet training its no hardship to get up in the middle of the night to take pup out to the garden. If it is a hardship then perhaps the commitment of being a puppy owner is not for you

pboae

tbain wrote: »

I am going to just let her out into the garden every hour or two for the next few weeks . So far today she has done her business in the garden 3 times only only peed in the house once! I know there's a lot of work ahead but that's a promising start.

I know it's probably just a figure of speech, but in case it's not, just letting her out isn't enough. You need to go out there with her every time and praise her like crazy every time she goes. Go completely over the top about it (and yes the neighbours will think you are crazy) but the clearer you can make it to her that going outside is a *great* idea, the faster she will learn.

SallyUK

Suzy_M wrote: »

Might sound a silly question - but were there children living at the house?

Not as far as I could see, Suzy.

There was barely enough room for her and one dog, let alone all the ones that were there.

I think I've managed to find someone who is willing to go round again to the house and to check up on the pups health, hopefully might hear something soon.

Sal
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tbain

pboae wrote: »

I know it's probably just a figure of speech, but in case it's not, just letting her out isn't enough. You need to go out there with her every time and praise her like crazy every time she goes. Go completely over the top about it (and yes the neighbours will think you are crazy) but the clearer you can make it to her that going outside is a *great* idea, the faster she will learn.

It was just a figure os speech. I have been going into our back garden with her literally every hour or two and praising her and so far ir seems to be paying off and she seems to know already why I am keep letting her out. She has peed a tiny bit a couple of times in the house but has been mainly using outside which is an excellent start. She slept in her crate overnight and I laid out no newspaper or pads and when I got up she had had no accidents at all.Very early days but she is doing well.