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esbo

aliEnRIK wrote: »

yup ~ you remind me of the ostrich with its head in the sand

pull up ANY evidence you can to prove me otherwise mr no brainer :rolleyes:

http://www.burninwave.com/
"Cable burn-in is a mystery, it is hard to prove the existence or effectiveness of cable burn-in."

It's hard to prove because it is !!!!!!!!. There is no scientific evidence for it.
You are making the riduculous claims the onus is on you to prove it.
I have an electronics degree know of no scientific evidence to support such a claim.
Burning in a cable will make the picture no better than watching whilst wearing a tin foil hat.

esbo

Cat695 wrote: »

Mate i'm behind you.....it IS important to have quality cables (gold etc) due to there low resistence (therefore better signal strength, which equals better picture quality, better sound etc)

If you wanted to lower the resistance it would be miles cheaper just to make
the cable thicker, but anyway copper has a lower resisance than gold anyway.
Using anything other than copper is rather pointless, the money would be far better
spent on better sheilding from electrical noise.
The most cost effecive way to improve the picture is to clean the screen.
You vary the resistance every time you adjust the volume or brightness anyway so it's
just bull. Complete bull.

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Cat695 wrote: »

Mate i'm behind you.....it IS important to have quality cables (gold etc) due to there low resistence (therefore better signal strength, which equals better picture quality, better sound etc)

Another myth, gold plated cables go in to a nickel plated socket, there can be no improvement unless they are both gold plated, never seen any on any Freeview Receivers.:rolleyes:

Cat695

esbo wrote: »

If you wanted to lower the resistance it would be miles cheaper just to make
the cable thicker, but anyway copper has a lower resisance than gold anyway.
Using anything other than copper is rather pointless, the money would be far better
spent on better sheilding from electrical noise.
The most cost effecive way to improve the picture is to clean the screen.
You vary the resistance every time you adjust the volume or brightness anyway so it's
just bull. Complete bull.

copper corrodes over time gold doesn't thats why its used (i should add gold plated here)

silver is the best out of copper gold and silver (silver is not used because of the cost and its weakness)

Cat695

Inactive wrote: »

Another myth, gold plated cables go in to a nickel plated socket, there can be no improvement unless they are both gold plated, never seen any on any Freeview Receivers.:rolleyes:

and they don't have copper either

Marty_J

Here's some audiophile nonsense for you all.

Marigo Labs Signature 3-D Mat - a little mat you place your CDs on. $199

My excitement was not without reservation, however. As much as I felt that the disc transformed sound quality in every transport and player I used it in, from mass-market boom boxes to Theta and Levinson transports, the “thin” Stealth 3-D Mat slightly darkened the top end of the sonic spectrum. The folks in the Elrod/Joule room heard this as well. We nonetheless agreed that there was so much more there there, that the trade-off was worth it.

I would say that Marigo Labs Signature 3-D Mat accomplishes a similar sound quality change in CDs, that occurs when you switch from CD to SACD, except that it works its magic on all discs, including SACD, CD, DVD-A, DVD-V, and mp3. If it helps a CD sound more like an SACD, it makes an SACD sound that much closer to analogue. It can’t increase a CD’s dynamic range, but it does seem to alter dynamics by bringing out information that was formerly inaudible. No matter what level of player I’ve tried it in, including several top-of-the-line four and five figure transports and players that come equipped with weights and clamps to improve laser tracking, the Signature 3-D Mat has taken the listening experience to another level.

But it doesn't just stop there folks, it makes DVDs look better too!

I have now watched several scenes of Nikolaus Harnoncourt conducting Vesselina Kasarova and Dietrich Henschel in Monteverdi’s great il Ritorno d’Ulisse in Patria (Arthaus Musik). The difference in picture and sound quality with and without the mat is astonishing.

Picture: With the mat, the colors have far more life and depth. Images also have considerably more detail and clarity. There is an extra weight and roundness to the images with the mat in place that renders them far more engaging.

Sound: Without the Signature 3-D mat, I experienced a ringing, one-dimensional harshness characteristic of many entry-level players. The sound was so harsh that I was only comfortable listening at low volume for an extended period of time.

With the mat in place, however, the ringing was for the most part ameliorated. In its place I discovered a previously unheard midrange fullness and tighter, more profound bass that rendered voices and instruments far more substantial, colorful, and lifelike. For the first time, I was engaged by the singing and playing.

The optical disc finalizer - a little box that flashes lights at your CDs. $500

We think -- the literature doesn't give any further clues -- that the 5500K 1,000,000 Lux strong flash performs a similar final "explosion" to the oily residue between the reflective film and the polycarbonate, with the applied heat possibly evaporating the pulverized residue. The results are better-defined pits and lands - 0s and 1s. The error correction of the player has less interpolative guesswork to do and actually gets to read what's on the disc rather than what it thinks is there. And if this theory is accurate, a single or at most double exposure to the flashlight will suffice. After all, this isn't a reversible process. If the removal of the residue does occur as claimed, it's permanent alright.

The Handel tracks now exhibit far greater smoothness. The distance between solo violin and accompanying strings has shrunk. The clavichord is more rotund in sound. The harshness of picked strings has evaporated as though the instrument had aged like a good wine. Just as on the guitar duo recording, the venue is more resolved. In the "Allegro", the cello's fill-in is much more delicate.

And it also works on DVDs!

We weren't done yet. DVD ahoy. Compared to the quality of our resident audio system, the video system is very simple and middle-of-the-road, however the audio part of it is top notch. Regardless, especially video details surrounded in shadows and dark colors were clearly enhanced, the palette of black tones expanded. The audio accompaniment exhibited the same improvements noted on our dedicated audio-only system. Because DVD audio is always compressed by comparison, it gained in dynamics and details but not as much as CD.

MIT Oracle v2.1 speaker cables - $8995!

Before ample break-in, the Oracle v2.1 cables sounded fuzzy, constricted, and dynamically dead -- a sonic mess. Luckily, their sound improves markedly in short order, and within 100 hours or so the cables had reached their sonic peak. However, over time -- months, in the case of this review -- the cables continued to improve in almost every way.

And last but not least, my personal favourite:

Clever Little Clock - a little clock you put in your room, and it makes everything better. $199

The Clever Little Clock is a small, battery-powered travel alarm clock that has been extensively modified using a number of highly specialized techniques. The Clever Little Clock does not plug into the wall and has no influence on house wiring, audio components, cables, interconnects, power cords or acoustic waves in the room. Yet the Clock has a pronounced affect on the sound heard by listeners in the room. In addition, any video systems in the house will be improved - the picture will be clearer, with better color saturation and contrast.

Place the clock anywhere in the listening room. The sound will be considerably more musical, engaging and live-sounding -- there will be less distortion, more information and a deeper, more coherent soundstage. Low frequencies will be articulate, extended and dynamic; high frequencies considerably smoother with remarkable inner detail. One or more additional Clever Little Clocks will further improve the sound.

I think I'll get two!

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Cat695 wrote: »

and they don't have copper either

I never said they did, you need to read posts before posting.:rolleyes:

The best Scart Lead for any Freeview Receiver will be Nickel Plated ones, whioch are the overwhelming majority of Scart Cables, they will match the sockets and will thus prevent any metal incompatibility or corrosion.

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Marty_J wrote: »

Here's some audiophile nonsense for you all.



I think I'll get two!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Sums it up nicely..

I must order some... :T :rotfl: :rotfl:

aliEnRIK

Marty_J wrote: »

You're the one who has to substantiate their claims, not us. You've participated in an independently monitored double-blind test have you?

It might interest you to know that James Randi is offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove that expensive speaker cables sound better. Why aren't you rich yet?

As for burning in cables, it's utter pseudo-scientific nonsense. And even if it did affect the sound (which it doesn't), most people's listening rooms have peaks and troughs of 10 dB or more all over the place, so it's unlikely to make any difference anyway. You'd have been better off getting an acoustic engineer to design you a listening room, than spending money on silly cables.

Isn't it funny that "burn-in" always makes things sound better? You'd expect it to have a totally random affect on the sound. But strangely, "audiophiles" think that whatever they do with their system it sounds better. I wonder why that could be?

And what about silver mains cables? I'm pretty sure that there are miles and miles of the cheapest copper cable imaginable between my house and the power station. How is a few feet of silver cable stuck on the end going to improve things? Have you rewired the grid to your house?

All interesting questions of which I cant even be bothered to answer in all honesty! I came on here with a simple quote about why its better so I answered, was then asked why I answered the way i did and was suddenly engulfed with people who really obviously know nothing about what theyre talking about.

I right here at my house ahve an absoluetly awesome piece of hifi kit which without a shadow of a doubt sounds way better thanthe inferior leads. And I know this because ive tested them Bass is tighter and actually SOUNDs like a bass, treble is sweet and atriculate and the amount of detal you can hear is astonishing. I know nothing of James Randi but Id just pop him off to see Mr Russ Andrews himself who has disproved many a peoples theories. If these cables didnt work then surely paople would sit at home and think ~ well THAT wasnt money well spent! Never buy them again and they company goes bust. I never EVER expected people to pay for THAT RGB scart cable ~ I was simply pointing out that they exist. Mains cables range from kettle leads for free to solid silver at 1500 quid (probably more, I wouldnt like to put a top limit)

Its why the HIGH hi fi manufactureres dont even supply mains cables with their products as noone in their right minds woud buy a 400 + pounds amplifier and connect it with a rubbish kettle lead. That would be nuts.

NOONE on here can disrepute my claims as I know for a FACT that they work. Instead of pulling out of your head what you THINK you know why not show me some hard cold FACTS

As for burning in your quite wrong. SOME cablesare in fact better when first bought and go WORSE due to burning in. These are rubbish cables that I wouldnt touch with a barge pole.

Now please ~ come up with some 'facts' first as youve obviously pulled all that off the top of your head. You THINK you know what your talking about but so obviously do not.

What an unbelieveable forum this is, I was actually expecting it to have nice people on and all it has are people who THINK they know it all when in fact they know absolutely nothing. A 'little' knowledge and they think they know everything.......

clever :rolleyes:

And for the record ~ I actually used to think cables made no difference either till I went ahead and started experimenting with them. Ive even made some of my own up with highly postitive results.

and that 10db part? peeerleeaze
What the hell has that got to do with something looking or sounding better? Do you think a clock radio sounds no better than a 1000 pound hifi? No it wont make the SLIGHTEST difference (To most peoples ears). Why do tvs range in price? You can get the exact same specs from the exact same manufactureres with like 3 grand inbetween them. So why pay the differnce? Because the one costing 3 grand more is without a shadow of a doubt WAAAAY better picture quality. Due to the components inside they use.

As for the copper to the house. I used to think the exact same thing. Its to do with CONDITIONING the electricity before it enters the hardware (tv, amp, whatever)

You people defy belief :T

Now please ~ whoever is the next person to shout me down get some facts first

aliEnRIK

esbo wrote: »

http://www.burninwave.com/
"Cable burn-in is a mystery, it is hard to prove the existence or effectiveness of cable burn-in."

It's hard to prove because it is !!!!!!!!. There is no scientific evidence for it.
You are making the riduculous claims the onus is on you to prove it.
I have an electronics degree know of no scientific evidence to support such a claim.
Burning in a cable will make the picture no better than watching whilst wearing a tin foil hat.

Theyre talking about headphones you !!!!!!

Thats absolutely different as (and theyre right in what they say) the speakers in the headphones run themselves in too (enbed themselves in use as do ANY new speakers)

My god ~ you lot are incredible