Car Problem - BMW

harveybobbles

Get a 2nd opinon! Main Dealers are too quick at telling you it's one thing and wanting you to pay for parts as they go along.
Volvo are !!!!!!s at that!!

WellGirl

I can assure you I wont be paying for any parts - it's their fault not mine! Im not very happy about it going in again for the same problem within two months >:(

WellGirl

Contacted the consumer direct and they've advised that as it is the same problem then due to the Sale of Goods act 1997 (?) Im within my rights to reject the car and have all money paid refunded to me woo hoo. Ive to send a letter to the finance company which they've given me a template for. Fingers crossed.

Will update in due course and thanks for everyones help ! x

AdrianHi

Your 1 series absolutely does not have a timing belt
Here in black and white:
116i valve train showing timing chain:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model=UF12&mospid=48922&hg=11&fg=25

120d valve train showing timing chain (I have this same engine under the bonnet of my BMW 320d):
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=UG52&mospid=48925&btnr=11_3318&hg=11&fg=25

There are belt drives under the bonnet for water pump and alternator, but they are not "timing" belts.

My educated guess (I've been a member of Europes bussiest BMW forum for over 2 years - doesn't mean I know everything though ) is the clutch judder is due to the effect of the clutch delay valve (CDV) and a few years of wear on the clutch making the judder worse. The CDV delays the release of the hydraulic clutch as you bring the pedal up (intended to stop you "dumping the clutch" and jerking the car forwards) which can result in a judder and a not so smooth pull away. Some BMW enthusiasts replace the CDV with a modified unit to remove this "delay" eliminating the judder and getting full control of the clutch back. If you want details on this modification and more info. I can look it out.
If this is what you are experiencing it is a design "feature".

WellGirl

AdrianHi wrote: »

Your 1 series absolutely does not have a timing belt
Here in black and white:
116i valve train showing timing chain:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model=UF12&mospid=48922&hg=11&fg=25

120d valve train showing timing chain (I have this same engine under the bonnet of my BMW 320d):
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=UG52&mospid=48925&btnr=11_3318&hg=11&fg=25

There are belt drives under the bonnet for water pump and alternator, but they are not "timing" belts.

My educated guess (I've been a member of Europes bussiest BMW forum for over 2 years - doesn't mean I know everything though ) is the clutch judder is due to the effect of the clutch delay valve (CDV) and a few years of wear on the clutch making the judder worse. The CDV delays the release of the hydraulic clutch as you bring the pedal up (intended to stop you "dumping the clutch" and jerking the car forwards) which can result in a judder and a not so smooth pull away. Some BMW enthusiasts replace the CDV with a modified unit to remove this "delay" eliminating the judder and getting full control of the clutch back. If you want details on this modification and more info. I can look it out.
If this is what you are experiencing it is a design "feature".

It was BMW themselves that diagnosed the problem - this is being sorted out now anyway - we called the complaints department yesterday which were very helpful.

AdrianHi

WellGirl wrote: »

It was BMW themselves that diagnosed the problem - this is being sorted out now anyway - we called the complaints department yesterday which were very helpful.

In the most part BMW dealers and BMW customer services are very good. There are a few dealers who are not so great..
I didn't think you were going to need to reject the car.
If you bought your car as a BMW Approved Used Car (AUC) you get a 12 month warranty.
Have they said it's a timing chain problem?
I ask as most common and even less common issues with BMW's come up on the enthusiasts forum and I've not heard any reports on timing chain issues so am interested to learn what your problem was and the resolution.
Cheers

BillScarab

WellGirl wrote: »

Hello fellow Weller - The car got a full MOT before we got it. I shouldnt have expected to get the timing changed once never mind twice. My first "fancy car" and Im beginning to think Ive made a big mistake.

The MOT is irrelevant. The MOT is a check to make sure the car meets certain arbitary standards set by the government. It was originally a safety check but now includes things like emissions. Checking the timing chain is not part of the MOT. That's where having a full service history comes in as that is when things like that should be checked/replaced.

I wouldn't have expected it to fail on a 54 reg car though. To me the second failure sounds like an issue with the original repair.

ihatecharges

AdrianHi wrote: »

I ask as most common and even less common issues with BMW's come up on the enthusiasts forum and I've not heard any reports on timing chain issues so am interested to learn what your problem was and the resolution.
Cheers

I agree as this is not a common problem based on myself being a member of a BMW forum.

Hope you get it sorted to your satisfaction WellGirl, once sorted ask for your 12 month warranty to start from the day they sort all the issues out!

PM sent which may help!?

jeannieblue

Having read thru the thread - boy am I confused!

Change a belt when it doesn't have one? A few questions need to be asked here that's for sure.

And if the chain went .... its a 54 reg?? Not good value. I'd question them big time as to what the fault really is!!

tomstickland

The CDV delays the release of the hydraulic clutch as you bring the pedal up (intended to stop you "dumping the clutch" and jerking the car forwards) which can result in a judder and a not so smooth pull away. Some BMW enthusiasts replace the CDV with a modified unit to remove this "delay" eliminating the judder and getting full control of the clutch back. If you want details on this modification and more info. I can look it out.

What a crap idea! I wouldn't want a car deciding that I couldn't dump the clutch.