Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route?

SD-253

DAVID.T wrote: »

There is not a "normal" minimum delivery some companies say 800 lts, a lot 700, a few 500 and even less 400

What is the LPG company you work for and what is there minimum delivery? Flogas asked me not to order less than 400 litres as did my present company. I have checked with another company they said the same or/and they would deliver any time they were passing with no minimum delivery. Talking to drivers they inform me they have topped tanks with less than 300 litres as long as they were not told it was an urgent delivery then as rule they were passing anyway and the company did not care.
Maybe people on this furom could check and let us all know.

SD-253

bobhawke wrote: »

The OFT made suppliers change the terms of their contract because they were unfair and allowed for unfettered price increases. As far as I know they all changed them to include some clause that said any of their price increases would be justified in relation to the world market / platts / brent crude prices

Don't think they did IE "price increases would be justified in relation to the world market / platts / brent crude prices" Wish they had we would hardly have anything to moan about. What they did just make up a figure that they would not raise above no relation what so ever to markets. I think Shell says they will not raise it by more than 3ppl in any 6 month period if they do you can go somewhere else. And not all have even given out contracts which had the latter in. Mine says !!!!!! all.
If they linked prices to the wholesale price then everything would be sweet no problems as far as I am concerned but thats not going to happen unless the OFT makes them. As happened with morgages (daughter on 2.5% morgage)

bobhawke

SD-253 wrote: »

Don't think they did IE "price increases would be justified in relation to the world market / platts / brent crude prices" Wish they had we would hardly have anything to moan about. What they did just make up a figure that they would not raise above no relation what so ever to markets. I think Shell says they will not raise it by more than 3ppl in any 6 month period if they do you can go somewhere else. And not all have even given out contracts which had the latter in. Mine says !!!!!! all.
If they linked prices to the wholesale price then everything would be sweet no problems as far as I am concerned but thats not going to happen unless the OFT makes them. As happened with morgages (daughter on 2.5% morgage)

They did. I clicked on the links in the post when the post first went up, they used to work but not anymore for some reason. If the links didn't work at the time or the information was rubbish the post wouldn't have gotten 6 thanks
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=40209456&postcount=582
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=40237294&postcount=590
3ppl in 6 months means nothing because the big four companies all raise their prices at the same time so you are stuck with the >3ppl price rise from shell and if you don't like it you can change to flogas and get the same price increase.
They do link to wholesale prices. They can get away with it because it costs something sillly like a few grand to register with platts to get regular price updates as they happen. They're all at it and so far the government has done nothing about it.

DAVID.T_3

SD-253 wrote: »

What is the LPG company you work for and what is there minimum delivery? QUOTE]

Our policy is 700 lts.

DAVID.T_3

SD-253 wrote: »

And exactly what do you do about it? I would apreciate an answer to the latter please.

individually nothing, but as i have already said faking usage figures will only make gas companies give less "fixed price" periods which appear to have been very good for some of the users especially in the last 2 years.

frankie

SD-253 wrote: »

1800 tank maximum fill 1530 litres?
20% of 1530 litres is 306 litres.
Is that what you are saying frankie (306 litre delivery) or have I got that wrong? It appears to be what you are saying.

Yes, you've got it wrong, I have a 1200 lt tank that is only to be filled to within 87%, so a full tank is 1044 lts. 20% of that is 208.8 lts.

So your assumptions are wrong.

Stop second guessing poster's comments and we may once again have a decent debate based on facts.

Historian_2

Hello all -- My 'friends' at Calor have written to me (like to everyone else I assume) advising of a 4.0 ppl price rise effective April 4, 2011. Apparently Colonel Gadaffi is to blame (yes, Calor are very inventive). My last price was 39.65 ppl for a delivery of 2,177 litres in March, which should see me through until August. Having queried their proposed price rise and threatened to terminate my agreement with them, they have 'generously' reduced their 4.0 ppl price increase to 3.5 ppl, taking my new proposed price to 43.15 ppl. They claim I would be getting an excellent deal as their standard rate is an eye watering 56.0 ppl.

I live in rural Suffolk, by the way. My question to the group is, does this- 43.15 ppl - seem like a reasonable price?

Many thanks.

frankie

Historian wrote: »

I live in rural Suffolk, by the way. My question to the group is, does this- 43.15 ppl - seem like a reasonable price?

Many thanks.

Hi Historian, sounds not too bad a price when compared with some I've seen on this thread. I'm paying 45.4 +VAT and I'm a fairly light user in SE Cornwall.

Well done for getting Calor down to their 3.5 level, they clearly don't want to loose your custom and I guess that's because you sound like a 'heavy' user.

Did you haggle them down based on their 3.5ppl contract clause?

Have you contacted OFT about lpg price obfuscation? I'd take their 'standard' price with a pinch of salt, they seem to change it at will.

Keep up the good work with haggling!!

GrandadRob

The Rep from my new supplier came the other day, and during our conversation about Flogas, he said.

Did you know that Flogas had bought Countrywide LPG.

HateLPG

GrandadRob wrote: »

The Rep from my new supplier came the other day, and during our conversation about Flogas, he said.

Did you know that Flogas had bought Countrywide LPG.

I think he's got his wires a bit crossed, for now, at least.

David.T's post http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=42093028&postcount=824 gives the full release, but here's an extract:

From April 1st 2011, customers in the east and north of England plus north and west Wales, areas outside Countrywide’s conventional delivery area, can now buy their LPG from the rural specialists. This follows an agreement with LPG supply firm Flogas, in a partnership to be known as ‘Countrywide LPG Powered by Flogas.’

So not bought out. But my call is that what that really means is "not bought out......yet". DCC, Flogas' parent are open and above board that they have a policy of growing by acquisition (worrying, when you consider that Shell's LPG operation is supposed to be "up for sale"). I suspect it will have a lot to do with Countrywide's area of operation slowly creeping out, errrrr.... country-wide and thus stepping on Flogas' toes outside of Countrywide's "conventional delivery area" - it would make good business sense in that context for Flogas to try to halt that "expansion" by going into a "partnership".

There's no way (in my opinion) that whatever their long (or even medium) term plans might be, Flogas (in particular) would embark on any serious acquisitions or expansion until well after the OFT (and CC if deemed necessary) have completed their current round of investigations.