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  • HoneyPhilip
    • #2
    • 15th Aug 07, 9:35 AM
    Cheap flights - more tips
    • #2
    • 15th Aug 07, 9:35 AM
    We needed to source a return flight for a relative living in The Philippines coming to the UK for a holiday. Many screenscrapers etc will not look at flights originating outside the UK. We wanted the flight to come into Birmingham so had the choice of KLM or Qatar. We were able to get Dollar prices from the KLM Philippines website and from the Qatar website - Qatar worked out about £300 less than KLM - total of about £650. The website would not let us book on line as the credit card holder needed to be a passanger. We phoned customer services and were told to go to the Qatar counter at Birmingham Airport. We did this and were quoted £2130 for the same flights........

    Another call to customer services explained how to book on line, but pay at the desk. We completed the booking, used XE.COM to convert from $ to £ (£635 this time), and then noticed a tab on the Qatar site to display the price in other currencies - this then showed £629. I printed the whole lot off and headed back for Birmingham airport. The desk clerk initially said that what I wanted to do was not possible, so I had her talk to her supervisor. They called customer services with my booking reference number and were given some overide codes to put into the computer - the system then asked me for payment of £612 - result!
    • stphnstevey
    • By stphnstevey 3rd Oct 07, 4:32 PM
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    stphnstevey
    • #3
    • 3rd Oct 07, 4:32 PM
    • #3
    • 3rd Oct 07, 4:32 PM
    Can someone add Dinard, France to the destinations from Bristol please?? (so I can check for flights - RyanAir just added this route in Nov this year
    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 3rd Oct 07, 9:09 PM
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    MothballsWallet
    • #4
    • 3rd Oct 07, 9:09 PM
    • #4
    • 3rd Oct 07, 9:09 PM
    Would it be possible to add Russia (Moscow - SVO, DME, Leningrad - LED) to the list of destinations as well please?
    Always ask yourself one question: What would Gibbs do?
    Married to an immigrant.
    Even my PC is nicknamed "GIBBS".
  • nickninety
    • #5
    • 4th Oct 07, 7:42 PM
    Prices vary over time
    • #5
    • 4th Oct 07, 7:42 PM
    The prices of fares vary with how long in advance of the flight you are booking. I have been looking at booking return to Orlando and the cost a year away is £550. However it seems prices are lowest about 3 months before the flight, £300 in this case, with another dip to £350 a month before. I discovered this looking at the 'chart' tab in the Kayak site after searching for the same flight this year.

    As you don't mention this in the article (even in the long time planning section) is this not general, am I missing something or is there a downside...

    Nick
    • neilo
    • By neilo 14th Nov 07, 3:30 PM
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    neilo
    • #6
    • 14th Nov 07, 3:30 PM
    • #6
    • 14th Nov 07, 3:30 PM
    Hi
    Can you add Nottingham East Midlands to Belfast City ( George Best ) Airport to the flightchecker please( Ryanair flying now )

    Cheers Neil
  • wheaty
    • #7
    • 23rd Jan 08, 10:42 AM
    • #7
    • 23rd Jan 08, 10:42 AM
    Hi
    Can you add Nottingham East Midlands to Belfast City ( George Best ) Airport to the flightchecker please( Ryanair flying now )

    Cheers Neil
    Originally posted by neilo
    Can you drop the 'Nottingham' bit if you do, please.
    • J B
    • By J B 23rd Jan 08, 5:59 PM
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    J B
    • #8
    • 23rd Jan 08, 5:59 PM
    • #8
    • 23rd Jan 08, 5:59 PM
    Can you drop the 'Nottingham' bit if you do, please.
    Originally posted by wheaty
    You mean 'Nottingham East Midlands Airport that's actually nearer to Derby than Nottingham'

    :confused:
    • marysmith978
    • By marysmith978 2nd Apr 08, 10:45 AM
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    marysmith978
    • #9
    • 2nd Apr 08, 10:45 AM
    Ryanair
    • #9
    • 2nd Apr 08, 10:45 AM
    I am new to posting so I am not sure if I am doing the right thing.
    I am trying to contact Ryanair because I have booked two flights for my husband and myself but they have sent confirmation for two flights for myself.
    The phone just goes dead and there is nothing I can do online.
    Please can anyone help?
    • Crabman
    • By Crabman 2nd Apr 08, 10:54 AM
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    Crabman
    I am new to posting so I am not sure if I am doing the right thing.
    I am trying to contact Ryanair because I have booked two flights for my husband and myself but they have sent confirmation for two flights for myself.
    The phone just goes dead and there is nothing I can do online.
    Please can anyone help?
    Originally posted by marysmith978
    Hi Mary, welcome to the site

    Searching www.saynoto0870.com brings up an alternative number for Ryanair based in Ireland: +353 12497791

    If you use the International Call Checker there will be some override providers for Ireland so you can call them from 0.5p per minute instead of using their premium rate line.

    See the last post of this thread for another number and email address in case the above doesn't work, let us know what happens
    Last edited by Crabman; 02-04-2008 at 10:59 AM.
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    • marysmith978
    • By marysmith978 2nd Apr 08, 12:32 PM
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    marysmith978
    Thank you Crabman,
    I will try the numbers and e-mail that you gave me.
    I am so sure that I filled in everything correctly.
    It was a 1p flight that ended up £56.
    Looks as though it's going to get even more expensive.
    I'm new to posting but have been following MSE advice for years.
    Thanks again.
    • marysmith978
    • By marysmith978 3rd Apr 08, 8:01 AM
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    marysmith978
    Hi Crabtree,
    I used the Irish number with the over ride and got sorted. They charged £7 admin fee which I thought was an unnecessary extra, but it was worth it for the relief. Next time I won't trust my typing. I'll check twice before I confirm.
    I've also got to weigh the luggage and get to the airport extra early.
    Anyway thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
    • fireflyisback
    • By fireflyisback 5th Apr 08, 10:17 PM
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    fireflyisback
    Im llooking for a cheap flight between 18th and 23rd May to Canda, single, from the uk...preferably from up north. Can anony eplaease help? Thanbkjs in advance
  • ryansward
    To cut a long story short (see below): NEVER RELY ON SCREENSCRAPERS NO MATTER HOW MANY YOU SEARCH. USE THEM AS A STARTING POINT AND THEN GO DIRECT - YOU CAN SAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

    The guide to cheap flights is great and gives a broad range of information but, as with everything in life, it's not perfect in my opinion and could be changed to give slightly better advice..

    For example the guide mentions that screenscrapers search a variety of websites and that at least 2 different screenscrapers should be used when searching for flights because they all search different suppliers. It doesn't, however, mention that the prices quoted on screenscrapers aren't always accurate and you can often do better by going direct to the websites the screenscrapers list.

    For example: Today (22-05-08), searching on the favourite (Kayak) for flights to Honduras (TGU) from London (LHR), Dep 18-08-08, Rtn 12-09-08, Kayak comes up with:

    £656 - cheapflights.com
    £686 - aa.com (american airlines)

    Clicking on, for example, the link from kayak to aa.com does indeed give you a fair for £686. However, go direct to aa.com and you'll find flights from £617. As Martin might say 'that's a saving of £69!'. Even better, and one that Kayak didn't turn up, is dialaflight.com - the same dates turned up a quote (inc. tax) for £510 - that's a saving of £176 over the best recommended screenscraper! I haven't searched everywhere and it may be possible to do even better. The link to cheapflights.com turned up confusing US$ quotes.

    I tried travelsupermarket.com but they came up with zero results for this (not that unusual) destination.

    OK so the screenscrapers are a great place to start and give you a good idea of prices, Kayak also has some very useful tools for monitoring recent prices, but YOU MUST NOT RELY ON SCREENSCRAPERS. This isn't a one off occurence, I more often than not FIND BETTER PRICES BY STARTING WITH THE SCREENSCRAPERS AND THEN GOING DIRECT and of course shopping around with other sites.

    I don't know how the system works but maybe the commission the screenscrapers take causes the prices to go up... ALWAYS CHECK!

    If this site is a genuine unbiased guide, and I beleive it is currently, surely a comment should be highlighted in the guide to reflect my point. The sponsored links won't like that of course but it's important this site strives to provide unbiased advice. I feel that at the moment the guide gives people too much comfort in thinking that if they search a whole bunch of different screenscrapers then they will have the best price.
  • SingyB
    Is there a sting for booking via an American company?
    I have just been looking to fly to Florida next year, during school hols (I know.... but with 2 kids, and me working in a school, so I'm limited with dates!!)

    All the UK web sites show Virgin as being the cheapest non-stop (£3893.80) however on the screen scrapes I've just done off this page, CHEAPOAIR.COM (via mobissimo.com) shows Virgin at being $4031 (£2035). Both include taxes

    The flight numbers are different, but only because they have both shown different flights on the same day as being cheaper.

    Is there a penalty for buying the same flights from a US site, when I could potentially be saving £1800??

    :confused:
    Last edited by SingyB; 26-05-2008 at 7:11 PM.
  • wildejoe
    flights to belgrade
    Hi,

    Im trying to find flights ideally from manchester (but east midlands birmingham or liverpool are fine) to belgarde in serbia. I have searched and secrahed but cant find flights for less than £260:confused:

    dates are 9th of july outbound and 14th inbound.

    Any help would be massivly apprecaited

    Thanks in advance
  • sharonjames
    summer 2009
    I am looking to book for Florida (Orlando) next August also. Yes I'm a teacher too! When looking on screen scrapes they don't have much choice yet. I think it would be better to wait until all airlines release their prices but I don't know when that will be do you? I found flights for 4 on 15/8 for a family of four that was £683 each and wasn't any cheaper for children. I'm hoping to pay less than this! As for booking with a US site, why would there be a penalty? I think it might be cheaper this way as the pound is strong against the dollar but if things change and you haven't paid the full amount then you might end up paying a lot more than you thought. It's hard work looking for a good deal!!:confused:





    I have just been looking to fly to Florida next year, during school hols (I know.... but with 2 kids, and me working in a school, so I'm limited with dates!!)

    All the UK web sites show Virgin as being the cheapest non-stop (£3893.80) however on the screen scrapes I've just done off this page, CHEAPOAIR.COM (via mobissimo.com) shows Virgin at being $4031 (£2035). Both include taxes

    The flight numbers are different, but only because they have both shown different flights on the same day as being cheaper.

    Is there a penalty for buying the same flights from a US site, when I could potentially be saving £1800??

    :confused:
    Originally posted by SingyB
    • Crabman
    • By Crabman 31st May 08, 7:39 PM
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    Crabman
    I am looking to book for Florida (Orlando) next August also. Yes I'm a teacher too! When looking on screen scrapes they don't have much choice yet. I think it would be better to wait until all airlines release their prices but I don't know when that will be do you? I found flights for 4 on 15/8 for a family of four that was £683 each and wasn't any cheaper for children. I'm hoping to pay less than this! As for booking with a US site, why would there be a penalty? I think it might be cheaper this way as the pound is strong against the dollar but if things change and you haven't paid the full amount then you might end up paying a lot more than you thought. It's hard work looking for a good deal!!:confused:
    Originally posted by sharonjames
    Hi Sharon, welcome to the forums

    You may get a better response from the dedicated Orlando Florida & Disneyworld - Questions & Answers thread, so I've copied your post over there.
    I'm a Board Guide on the Savings & Investments, ISAs & Tax-free Savings, Public Transport & Cycling, Motoring and Parking Fines, Tickets & Parking Boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Board Guides are not moderators & don't read every post. If you spot a contentious or illegal post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com

  • MSSid
    Flight Finding Tips
    Martin Lewis has written a brilliant article about how to find cheap flights, particularly the section on screenscrapers, however, there are a few points which I feel should be mentioned and may have been overlooked.

    a.) When you are selecting which flight comparison sites to use you must ensure that the ones you select actually search different and unique sites rather than repeating searches which do not provide any additional value. I would, with respect, be careful not to search EVERY single site mentioned in the aforementioned article for the following reasons...

    There is absolutely no point in searching both Sidestep AND Kayak as they are actually the same company and search exactly the same sites for flights. Kayak actually purchased Sidestep for the sum of 90 million pounds late last year.

    Similarly, Openjet is searched by both Kelkoo and Momondo so it it doesn't make much sense to search Openjet if you have searched either of those two sites already.

    Also, Expedia is now compared by Travelsupermarket so there is no need to conduct a search on Expedia seperately if you have already searched Travelsupermarket.com.

    It is important to know this otherwise you could end up wasting time searching sites which have already effectively been searched.

    My personal list would include For Long haul - Mobissimo, Kayak and Momondo (TravelSupermarket is excellent in my opinion for UK departures) whilst for short haul I would recommend Skyscanner and Dohop.

    This would ensure an adequate number of UNIQUE sites being searched,
    effectively isolating the best deal for you. In my opinion it is a MUST to search ALL of these sites as it is very unpredicatable as to who will locate the best deal.

    b.) As Martin suggests in his article it is preferable to search numerous flight
    comparison sites in seperate windows and compare all of the results - This, however can be quite cumbersome and many people fail to search every single important one potentially leaving the cheapest flights undiscovered ...

    A quick way around this is to make a search on the newly launched website http://www.cheap-flights-finder.com which actually searches five flight comparison sites for you with 1 single search (i.e Kelkoo, Kayak, Mobissimo, Dohop and Skyscanner). This is a great time saver and allows you to compare numerous flights quickly and easily, leaving just Travelsupermarket and Momondo for you to search seperately if need be.

    c.) Another very useful tool which many people may not be aware of is Momondo's price calender functionality. This is a handy, easy to read graphical calender which shows flight prices for alternate departure and arrival dates to your chosen destination. Quite handy if your travel itinerary allows for flexible dates. The only downside being that it only shows fares for searches other users have found and can occasionally fail to provide alternate flight prices.

    d.) Two sites which have not been talked about much but are causing a bit of a stir across the pond are Farecast and Yapta. Farecast actually claims to track fare prices and give you a verdict on whether it is a good time to buy or whether you should wait. Apparently their predictions are considered to be 74.5% percent accurate according to a third party independent audit undertaken by Navigant Consulting.

    Then their is Yapta, which is similar in the sense that it tracks fare prices and gives you alerts to notify you when it is a good time to buy. They also claim to be able to credit you for the difference if you find a flight has dropped in price after you have purchased it.

    Although these sites are actually for the North American market, they can still be useful if one is searching for international or domestic flights departing from the USA or Canada.

    I am aware that people may be skeptical about flight comparison sites in general but in my experience, with which I completely concur with Martin, they should be the first port of call when looking for cheap flights on specific dates.

    As long as the advice in the main article and above are followed, i.e - numerous different comparison sites are searched which in turn search numerous UNIQUE travel sites and airlines, it is highly likely that the prices
    found cannot be beat.

    If any one is interested in finding out more money saving options including advice about courier travel, flight auctions, student travel, group travel, seasonal travel, frequent flyer programmes and more then go to www.cheap-flights-finder.com and sign up to the special deals email which explains these things in further detail.
    • applegrass
    • By applegrass 24th Jun 08, 4:34 PM
    • 73 Posts
    • 30 Thanks
    applegrass
    Has anyone looked into being a flight courier for documents and the like for cheap flights, or is this not really an option any more?
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