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  • taffy056
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    • 6th Jul 10, 2:13 PM
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    • 6th Jul 10, 2:13 PM
    First its not a fine, but an unenforceable parking invoice, they have no power at all to fine you, just tell them as gesture of goodwill you will completely ignore their scam also go and park there for 3 hours and 1 minute next time, you are in the shop so don't worry about it!

    Just IGNORE!
  • jason_mc
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    • 6th Jul 10, 2:16 PM
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    • 6th Jul 10, 2:16 PM
    well i usually only pop into the shop to buy a soft drink or chewing gums then go to work for 4hrs as its right next to the carpark so i am in the wrong.....could i still get away with it though?
    • Sir Roger deLodger
    • By Sir Roger deLodger 6th Jul 10, 2:19 PM
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    Sir Roger deLodger
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    • 6th Jul 10, 2:19 PM
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    • 6th Jul 10, 2:19 PM
    ...could i still get away with it though?
    Originally posted by jason_mc
    Yes you can, just ignore them.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 6th Jul 10, 4:30 PM
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    Coupon-mad
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    • 6th Jul 10, 4:30 PM
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    • 6th Jul 10, 4:30 PM
    well i usually only pop into the shop to buy a soft drink or chewing gums then go to work for 4hrs as its right next to the carpark so i am in the wrong.....could i still get away with it though?
    Originally posted by jason_mc

    Good for you! I can't stand PPC scammers and I would do the same.

    Why not just make a collection of PPC fake PCNs like some people do on pepipoo.com. The company can do nothing about it unless they take you to Small Claims Court, and then they'd have to prove - among other things - who the driver was and that a valid/fair (!) contract exists, and justify the ridiculous amount they're claiming as well.

    You could get a solid defence from pepipoo.com anyway if you ever needed it, not least because the PPC won't know who the driver was, they won't have worded their sign correctly to communicate a fair contract (they almost never do) and then there's the small matter of the amount charged being an obvious penalty amount unrelated to any costs or losses.

    I presume as it's a Supermarket car park that there's no clamping sign? So you're OK. Private Parking Company (PPC) tickets are a scam, never pay them.

    Typical PPC threatogram letter-chains are shown here, you can safely ignore the ticket and all letters (in the absence of genuine, sealed Court papers which is infinitessimally rare):

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=2214803

    See the recent episode of Watchdog where they showed what to do with PPC tickets:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA

    HTH

    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • jason_mc
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    • 6th Jul 10, 4:36 PM
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    • 6th Jul 10, 4:36 PM
    ok thanks guys i will leave and ignore all future letters...another thing is that i could always say ive never received any letters from them if the worst happened(court)
  • Oopsadaisy
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    • 6th Jul 10, 4:37 PM
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    • 6th Jul 10, 4:37 PM
    Highview are totally different to every other PPC scammer...they have special magical powers that mean their letters really do mean you have to pay up...sorry, there's nothing we can do to help.
  • jason_mc
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    • 7th Jul 10, 11:53 AM
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    • 7th Jul 10, 11:53 AM
    lol don wind me up
  • petesymac
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    • 28th Jul 10, 8:48 PM
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    • 28th Jul 10, 8:48 PM
    hi, ive recieved a PCN from highview parking ltd, its states; legal action pending, the said vehicle was parked for 6 minutes in a loading bay, the fee is now at 135 to be payed within 7 days, a bit worried about it now, any ideas much appreciated
    • sarahg1969
    • By sarahg1969 28th Jul 10, 8:50 PM
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    sarahg1969
    See the posts above yours for ideas. Or read several of the hundreds of identical threads on this board. And then if there's still something that's not been answered, come back and ask.
  • petesymac
    cheers, read some of the posts mentioning not being the driver of the vehicle, just the registered keeper, wot if its a video camera?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 28th Jul 10, 9:23 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    cheers, read some of the posts mentioning not being the driver of the vehicle, just the registered keeper, wot if its a video camera?
    Originally posted by petesymac


    You mean you've read Martin's really old article about not being the driver?

    That's not the same as reading current threads on the forum, we don't care who was driving - the advice is always the same on the forum, ignore the ticket and letters which follow. It's a scam.

    Google 'private parking scam' and look for forum posts on here, pepipoo.com, consumer action group, all of which will tell you that such private parking tickets are unenforceable trash, whether or not you've appealed already.

    Watchdog covered this a couple of months ago, and their legal bod helpfully confirmed just what we tell everyone to do with fake parking tickets(whether they have pretty pictures of your car or not - in their example it was MET parking company using ANPR cameras):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA



    The registered keeper will receive a few debt collector letters telling you to pay, but so what once you know they are just bog roll! Do not panic, do not believe the lies on the letters about Court/CCJs/dire consequences!

    They cannot just 'apply for' a CCJ, that's not how things work at all.


    See examples here of what sort of letters to ignore and be prepared for. Don't bother to actually read their threats when you get the matching threats, instead look at them now so you are ready to laugh when you get the whole predicable set:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=2214803

    To be proactive, if the scam letters get tiresome you may like to also report the company and their debt collectors for harassment:

    http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/en...=03_harassment

    But don't forget this is NOT a debt, NOT a fine, just a mickey mouse ticket.

    Nothing happens, your credit record is NOT affected, so don't fall for this con.

    Be angry about their illegal scary letters, tell your friends never to pay a private parking ticket, even if they have broken the car park's spurious 'rules'.

    But don't pay it! Spread the word. This ticket is a scam and the letters must be ignored.
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • Lurking Enforcer
    So they have let you off twice.

    It seems to me that you should pay and learn your lesson. Time limits are there for a reason. Pay more attention next time.
    • trisontana
    • By trisontana 28th Jul 10, 10:20 PM
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    trisontana
    So they have let you off twice.

    It seems to me that you should pay and learn your lesson. Time limits are there for a reason. Pay more attention next time.
    Originally posted by Lurking Enforcer
    Just go away, you idiot!
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 28th Jul 10, 10:31 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    So they have let you off twice.

    It seems to me that you should pay and learn your lesson. Time limits are there for a reason. Pay more attention next time.
    Originally posted by Lurking Enforcer

    Ignore this Lurking troll everyone, he works for a PPC and doesn't like our advice much!
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 28th Jul 10, 10:36 PM
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    peter_the_piper
    He's been allowed up late tonight.
    Millies gone back to Thailand, Roll on July 8th
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 28th Jul 10, 10:41 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    And he's reached double figures in terms of posts, he'll give up soon, just like those PPC so-called 'debt collectors' do when they realise they are being ignored.
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • percy
    highview parking ltd
    Hi, today I received official looking letter from Highview advising of parking charge for overstaying at a local retail park. Having read other posts on these so called fines it seems the advice is to ignore. Sorry but I am being a scardy cat! The letter states " in accordance with the terms and conditions, clearly and prominently displayed and agreed to when you parked on our clients private property a payment of 75 is required," they offer a discount of 25 for prompt payment. I have to admit I was parked for over 4 hours, but did not notice the signs and anyway why would I not take that long at a retail park with lots of shops? The bit about " terms and conditions" is the worrying part and the letter also states they are operating in accordance with the British Parking Association Code of Practice. They also quote a VAT number which makes me wonder is they are legit.
    Any comments gratefully received thanks
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 2nd Aug 10, 11:51 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    The BPA is just a members' association that they pay to join - it's nothing more than a 'club'.

    They have to quote VAT number - it doesn't make a company 'legit' but they are a 'real' company of course. Just one that's involved in a scam industry that relies on uninformed people being scared into paying what they believe is a 'fine'.

    It isn't a fine!

    See the links on my long post above in reply to petesymac. Click on the links, watch the Watchdog legal guy's advice. Our replies above apply to you as well, it is completely safe to ignore the parking charge and the letters that will follow it, there will be a series of letters like the one you've had.

    In that long reply to petesymac, I included the thread with examples of scary letters these companies send out. Have a look at those sorts of letters yourself, now (top sticky thread on the link below) and then read as many other threads as it takes for you to understand that you must not worry one little bit about this scam:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

    Only ever take seriously a parking ticket from a Council or the Police.

    Only a mug (or someone who is uninformed) ever pays a private parking ticket. Don't be a mug!

    HTH
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 02-08-2010 at 11:55 PM.
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • percy
    Many thanks! I will do as you suggest and ignore any further letters from them although my partner thinks I should pay in case of a blot on my credit file or a marker on our address!Trust this won't be the case though!
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