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How to get out of paying TV license (yes, REALLY)
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I don't rabbit on about the DM because i'm pro BBC, I go on about it as it's the paper that tends to be quoted the most for disinformation
All the people I've met so far tend to be leftist Guardian readers who dislike the DM because it covers subjects they would rather people did not hear or know about.
The sad thing is the DM are more open to the public commenting than the leftist media and unlike the leftist media is making a profit and the most viewed online newspaper in the world so are clearly doing something right.And before you claim that is proof I'm a TVL "goon", I archive all my emails, part of my normal backup process*
I never said you worked directly for TVL(BTW I responded with my name/address, and didn't hear anything from them at that address for quite a while).
They usualy demand to check, all the letters I've seen say this but you seem to be different
http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/letters/i'm-emailing-them/msg34437/#msg34437As for the BBC committing perjury, IIRC TVL "inspectors" are not direct BBC employees, and they are acting against their own rules (as well as the law), but somehow a handful of cases (where the person usually got the sack) are taken to mean that everyone does it.
Well I believe there are a few people taking them to court now and trust me the BBC will be paying for their actions as they say themselves,'TV Licensing' is a trade mark of the BBC and is used under licence by companies contracted by the BBC to administer the collection of the television licence fee and enforcement of the television licensing system. We (the BBC) are a public authority in respect of our television licensing functions and we retain overall responsibility. We are also the data controller of personal data processed by TV Licensing.I know people who proudly lie about not needing a TV license, but don't make the immediate assumption that everyone who says they don't need one is lying
Yes they must be really nasty people wanting to watch TV without subsiding the BBC for others, a small minority of selfish leftists.(although I do find it at little hypocritical that some people are more than happy to use the Iplayer a lot, but still not have a license as they say "there isn't enough on to warrant it", but they are sticking to the letter of the law, if not the spirit).
Well don't worry a lot of people including me suspect the BBC are pushing for an internet licence to replace the TV one.0 -
The title of this thread implies looking for ways to avoid paying the licence fee. There are two groups. The group who quite legally do not need a licence(no TV etc) and the other group who do and are seeking to avoid paying and want to tell you how the BBC or their agents are not entitled to know who you are, step across your threshold etc.
You can certainly make a case for getting rid of the licence fee(although no doubt the bulk of the 2.5bn will need to be collected in some other way but given that for better or worse it is currently the law I fail to see the difference between paying this and, say, road fund licence. I may even pay taxes such as income tax but disapprove of what the Government spends it on.
None of this entitles me in law to withhold my fee and in the same way if I don't like the BBC or even don't watch any of their programmes and stick to Coronation street and the Disney Channel it still does not mean I don't have to pay on these grounds alone. So if this thread has to continue can it not revolve around those who don't like the BBC and therefore don't see why they have to pay?0 -
Post 65The_Safordian wrote: »Theres millions being wasted there and only someone with a connection to the BBC would try brushing those off
The_Safordian wrote: »
I never said you worked directly for TVL
They usualy demand to check, all the letters I've seen say this but you seem to be different
So Only someone who "has a connection with the BBC" could possibly dream of pointing out flaws in your arguments.
However I will give you, you didn't claim I worked for the TVL, just that I must have some connection to the BBC (probably the same one the vast majority of the population of the UK has, in that I sometimes watch it).
As I say, after my query via email I never had a problem, I know some people do have problems, but then so do some people with virtually any other company - a friend had a hell of a time with one of the leccy companies after they got her E7 and daytime meter readings reversed, it doesn't mean I don't let meter readers in (I also know there are bent cops, it doesn't mean I assume every cop I see is bent).
What doesn't seem to help some of the anti TVL people, is a complete and utter refusal to even respond to the first letter and let the TVL know they don't have a TV/watch live TV (they then seem to revel in complaining about getting another letter every month or so).
For every case of the TVL employees going beyond what they are allowed to, there seem to be many more where they act in a proper manner as they are instructed to under the law.
Personally I half wish the TVL would be made part of the council tax, of collected centrally (if the relative independence of the BBC could be guaranteed), as it would probably be cheaper and easier to collect, but I suspect what would happen is (even if the BBC were to be disbanded), that the Government would just skim money off that for other projects like they do for Road Tax etc.
Remember we in the UK are fairly lucky in that although we do pay a TVL, the vast majority of that money does go to a Broadcaster without adverts, rather than general coffers, and that we can opt out of it at all (in some of Europe if you don't pay a TVL you pay a similar tax on phones or broadband, and in many countries with a TVL it's either much higher, or doesn't go towards broadcasting at all).0 -
So Only someone who "has a connection with the BBC" could possibly dream of pointing out flaws in your arguments.
There are no flaws, you only have opinions to fight factsHowever I will give you, you didn't claim I worked for the TVL, just that I must have some connection to the BBC (probably the same one the vast majority of the population of the UK has, in that I sometimes watch it).
That's hardly a connection like Capita or one of the many PR firms the BBC use.As I say, after my query via email I never had a problem, I know some people do have problems, but then so do some people with virtually any other company - a friend had a hell of a time with one of the leccy companies after they got her E7 and daytime meter readings reversed, it doesn't mean I don't let meter readers in (I also know there are bent cops, it doesn't mean I assume every cop I see is bent).
I think you are lying because why would you contact BBC TV Licensing when your profile on Digitalspy says you have "Virgin VIP pack"
Also why would you need that if the BBC is so great :doh:What doesn't seem to help some of the anti TVL people, is a complete and utter refusal to even respond to the first letter and let the TVL know they don't have a TV/watch live TV (they then seem to revel in complaining about getting another letter every month or so).
Why the hell should I or anyone else communicate with them. They have no legal powers and to communicate just gives them information about you for the database so more info to harass, threaten and intimidate people.
You might like complete strangers roaming your house but I don't. Perhaps you'd let your wife show them around while your out?
I find it very interesting that you are pushing this
Communicate viv uz or eslzeFor every case of the TVL employees going beyond what they are allowed to, there seem to be many more where they act in a proper manner as they are instructed to under the law.
WRONG, there is no law that says these "people" should be sending these nasty threatograms to the public or sending people round to the publics front doors!Personally I half wish the TVL would be made part of the council tax
Why don't you wish to fund your beloved BBC voluntary via subscription. If the BBC is so great there shouldn't be a problem.................well unless you know the truth(if the relative independence of the BBC could be guaranteed)
Independent, the BBC LOL it's Labours mouth piece :rotfl:other projects like they do for Road Tax etc.
Our roads are essential while the BBC isn't................sorry but there is zero chance of you not having some connection with the BBC lolRemember we in the UK are fairly lucky in that although we do pay a TVL
Oh please throw the BBC pitch book away I've heard them all. The other countries with a TV Licence have one because of their languages, we're English and so that isn't a problem as America, New Zealand and Australia prove0 -
You can certainly make a case for getting rid of the licence fee(although no doubt the bulk of the 2.5bn will need to be collected in some other way
It's actually £3.7 billion but you aren't far offbut given that for better or worse it is currently the law I fail to see the difference between paying this and, say, road fund licence.
You seriously don't see the difference in essential public services and someone else's television viewing habits ?
So if you break a leg you go to the BBC to get it fixed, then again how do you get there with no roads......................that's a very strange way of thinking, should we have a newspaper tax next to fund the Guardian ?So if this thread has to continue can it not revolve around those who don't like the BBC and therefore don't see why they have to pay?
No one is forcing you to read it :huh:0 -
One last reply, as it's becoming tedious even when I'm bored replying to you.The_Safordian wrote: »I think you are lying because why would you contact BBC TV Licensing when your profile on Digitalspy says you have "Virgin VIP pack"
Also why would you need that if the BBC is so great :doh:
Why the hell should I or anyone else communicate with them. They have no legal powers and to communicate just gives them information about you for the database so more info to harass, threaten and intimidate people.
You might like complete strangers roaming your house but I don't. Perhaps you'd let your wife show them around while your out?
I find it very interesting that you are pushing this
Communicate viv uz or eslze
WRONG, there is no law that says these "people" should be sending these nasty threatograms to the public or sending people round to the publics front doors!
Why don't you wish to fund your beloved BBC voluntary via subscription. If the BBC is so great there shouldn't be a problem.................well unless you know the truth
Independent, the BBC LOL it's Labours mouth piece :rotfl:
Our roads are essential while the BBC isn't................sorry but there is zero chance of you not having some connection with the BBC lol
Oh please throw the BBC pitch book away I've heard them all. The other countries with a TV Licence have one because of their languages, we're English and so that isn't a problem as America, New Zealand and Australia prove
I do NOT work for, or am affiliated with the BBC in any way shape or form.
Nor do I work for any PR company, nor Capita, Fishborne & Hedges (I think is the one that i've been accused in the past), nor in the entertainment, broadcasting, or even legal profession.
I don't work for a company providing services to the BBC, even in a different department.
And yes I have VM, I never said I Don't have a current TV licence (wow you actually bothered to go trawling around to find which forums I use, I bet you've not found the American ones I'm registered on because I'm interested in games and DVD's, or the Australian ones, let alone the wargames ones).
If a mod wants to check my IP, to confirm that I don't work/post from any BBC or related site, they can - they'll probably see that I've been with the same residential ISP, in the same area for years.
The BBC for the amount I use it, is by far better value than my Pay TV sub, which I mainly have at the level I do because it gives me a good PVR, and a great internet connection and phone package - I wouldn't save much by dropping parts of it, and sometimes watch the odd movie or sporting event.
For the cost of it, it's bloody expensive per hour of pay TV I actually watch (but others in the house like a couple of the channels).
As for why you might communicate with someone you're not legally obliged to?
I do it all the time, I'm not obliged to let a company know when it's made a mistake in where it's addressed a letter to - but I'll bung a sticker on it "not/never at this address, return to sender" if needed.
Possibly I'll contact people I don't legally have to, because it's often the fastest, easiest way to sort something out?
For example, it's not my job, but if I see a leak in a water pipe, or smell gas in the street I'll ring the number to report it - some of my neighbors won't, but will instead just complain about it to each other.
By making a call I'm not legally obliged to do, it stops further hassle in a couple of minutes.
As for road tax, I was referring to the way that in many countries that have a TV licence, much of it doesn't go towards any broadcasting, and is treated in much the same way as fuel duty and road tax are here - they are/were for the use of the roads, but don't actually get used for that.
As for your example of America, the land of 300 million people, and a public service broadcaster that is barely a shadow of the UK?
Anyway, I can't be bothered to keep replying, as I know from your own posts that whatever I say, i'll be labelled a BBC stooge or shill of some kind, something I actually find mildly offensive but also rather amusing.0 -
One last reply, as it's becoming tedious even when I'm bored replying to you.
Tedious are the opinions you put across as factnor in the entertainment, broadcasting, or even legal profession.
I don't work for a company providing services to the BBC, even in a different department.
No like all normal members of the British public they make things up and put opinions across as fact to defend the BBC over all the others................hang on they don't do they.And yes I have VM, I never said I Don't have a current TV licence (wow you actually bothered to go trawling around to find which forums I use, I bet you've not found the American ones I'm registered on because I'm interested in games and DVD's, or the Australian ones, let alone the wargames ones).
I have a habit of catching people out like I just did which is why you are now back trackingIf a mod wants to check my IP, to confirm that I don't work/post from any BBC or related site, they can - they'll probably see that I've been with the same residential ISP, in the same area for years.
I can't see people who are paid to do this by the BBC working from an office :think: the amount of time some of them at DS spend attacking people who criticise the BBC are there far to much...............some must struggle for sleep!
One of them (iain) had 60k plus of posts just defending the BBC!The BBC for the amount I use it, is by far better value than my Pay TV sub
But you have them anyway and not just a basic package but the VIP onewhich I mainly have at the level I do because it gives me a good PVR, and a great internet connection and phone package
You could easily get a Freeview PVR and Virgin Media do the broadband on its own.I wouldn't save much by dropping parts of it, and sometimes watch the odd movie or sporting event.
For the cost of it, it's bloody expensive per hour of pay TV I actually watch (but others in the house like a couple of the channels).
WRONG, Virgins basic package gives you more than the BBC do and includes a phoneline.................for LESSAs for why you might communicate with someone you're not legally obliged to?
I do it all the time, I'm not obliged to let a company know when it's made a mistake in where it's addressed a letter to - but I'll bung a sticker on it "not/never at this address, return to sender" if needed.
That's down to you but I think you know what the BBC can do as far as I'm concerned, I personally think their just a bunch of parasites living off others. They know if the public had a choice they'd sink faster than the Titanic.Possibly I'll contact people I don't legally have to, because it's often the fastest, easiest way to sort something out?
Unlike other companies the BBC have a habit of abusing their position like this women who their taking to court even though she hasn't got a TV. TV Licensing however give their sales goons strict targets to meet so they lie in order to hit them.For example, it's not my job, but if I see a leak in a water pipe, or smell gas in the street I'll ring the number to report it - some of my neighbors won't, but will instead just complain about it to each other.
Getting rather desperate now aren't you
As for your example of America, the land of 300 million people, and a public service broadcaster that is barely a shadow of the UK?
Because they do not need one and you lot aren't big enough on numbers to force them to pay for one. Even here polls show a constant 75% want rid of it. You pay for Cables highest package but don't want to give the British public the choice of unsubscribing to your beloved BBC.Anyway, I can't be bothered to keep replying
Truth always hurts people like you0 -
Interesting, freeview here is poor quality off a relay so no full channels nor watchable digital f/view...all my viewing is "catch up" tv ! Can I get a rebate for the last few years LOL
Now I understand: Last time TVL came to the door I invited the guy in after he said I know you have a TV my meter shows it with a smug look and showed him to my lounge & my series downloads from youtube & the likes via laptop (hdmi lead to plasma) and no TV connection to aerial point - he scrubbed me off the list for two years after again asking do you watch tv on it and I said no downloads & online content from video sites - I use my plasma as a monitor & showed him the wireless mouse & keyboard. I was told to renew it over the phone after 2 years, I did get a few reminders but never got round to the call & TVL went quiet....guess they probably saw my previous "inspection" notes. Buggar should have told me if this was what I was doing my previous TV licence should be rebated back (I always paid TV licence but never watched TV or paid licence after Telewest/Virgin got pulled out, which i used for on demand content)
Roll on TalkTalk YouView or I'm off to BT Vision when our contract ends.
Youview/BT Vision will just make it simplier with a remote & free laptop up
Edit:quoted iplayer/4od downloads but didnt mean that LOLSO... now England its the Scots turn to say dont leave the UK, stay in Europe with us in the UK, dont let the tories fool you like they did us with empty lies... You will be leaving the UK aswell as Europe0 -
Nope Safordian, I don't expect BBC to get everything for free - indeed, I was pointing out that our licence fee money goes towards costs of transmission - I said thisif you're watching Freeview or listening to DAB, your TV licence pays for the infrastructure that broadcasts it.
And you replied with this:WRONG, why do some people wish to push misinformation here. The transmitters are privately owned by companies like SDN and Crown Castle
Now, I'm grateful for the clarification on ownership, but do you agree that you've maybe been misleading? Looks like the Beeb pay their way, with our money, just as they should. I never said they should get anything for free! Indeed, my whole point was to clarify where the licence fee money goes, I've got no problem with paying it.
You should go to America and try to watch TV in between all the adverts!
Why are you calling people liberals and communists for supporting the Beeb?!0 -
Just getting back to basics - this is a money saving site so it's perfectly valid to point out that in some cases a licence is not required and people are shelling out money needlessly.
Arguments about whether it is a just tax would be better off in the discussion forum maybe. As is the issue of avoidance (where a licence is legally required).
That said, it is difficult to discuss the former without mentioning the attitude of TVL occifers - the assumption being that a TV is a necessary part of modern life and no one could possibly survive without one. In other words 'guilty until proved innnocent!'. Plus too often, they act like they are some sort of police. It's not surprising it gets people's backs up.
TV Licence Resistance dicusses all these issues including the legalities of whether or not you need a licence.
http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/0
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