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Debt Free - Let's do this!! Medical related!!

Morning guys, I've got up this morning and finally realised that it's a time to do something about the money situation. With regard to this, It's going to be quite difficult because I'm having health issues (stress, anxiety, depression) at the minute. Not as bad as other people but I still am struggling with it, I've had a very turbulent few months where I've gone from a stable steady job to being on my 2nd job in 1 month and beginning to have a recurrence of the same issues there that I have at my previous job and again at Sainsbury's.

For anyone who would like to read up on what has happened, it's all here:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=313417

That basically outlines the problems that I have had, there are tonnes really, everytime I speak about it, it gets worse, and there seems to be less of a reason behind it and no real triggers everytime it occurs. I really want to work, and go back to earning money without having to worry, but, I know that I need to get better, to get better I dont need any stress about work, I need to take some good time to get myself right otherwise this will go on and on.

The problem is that it's a catch 22 situation:

I want to work, always have been a worker

I have to go to work to earn money to pay off car loan etc.

Going to work at the minute is not helping my state of mind (good and bad days)

If I don't work, things don't get paid

BUT my mental state becomes worse / doesn't get better, so potentially there is a risk that it won't get better because the problem keeps recurring.

So that's the dilemma, naturally the worries cycle through your head that if you dont work then everything will get repossessed and CCJ's will be applied to the account and it all goes wrong. BUT I dont think like that, or try not to, its about capitalising on a state of mind. I've woke up quite positive today (off work today at least, probably longer) so I want to start feeling like I'm in control of things.

I have a few triggers for my state of mind, usual ones are feeling like a failure because I cant work and I want to, not achieving in work (tax office is dire), why did I end up like this, how come i have no money, but the main worry behind everything is money I guess, as it always is for most of us.

I guess to a certain extent I feel guilty too, stress for me isn't what I have, proper stress is some of the folks on here who don't have 2 ha'pennys to rub together but yet manage to feed and clothe an army of kids, run a house and have 2/3 jobs all at the same time. That's stress! :rotfl: My hat is literally off to some of you guys, I have so much respect for you.

I spend a lot of time on here nowadays, I've gone from reading, to posting in my own threads to now gain confidence to post advice in others, It's something I dont feel qualified to do sometimes because of the state of my own life but it makes me feel like i'm giving something back.

Nicely, onto my money problems, I've posted a few threads in the past, but now it's time to actively take this one onto the next level, I cannot go on like this, both in my personal life (worry about everything) and with the money situation. It's getting beyond a joke now about just how bad I am with the cash, I want to start paying some things off and actually working for some proper money, not to see it pay off the overdraft every month for the past 2 years.

Additionally, I'm aware that I need to get better, I may have to go part time / reduced hours to ensure that I am fit and ready to take up full time work at some stage soon, I cannot go on in the cycle of forcing myself into work because it will get to a stage where I will get so bad I will not be able to work for 6-12 months because I've just ignored the advice / warning signs. I dont want it to get to the stage where I cant get out of the house.

Onto money, contracts / finance agreements signed when times were good, good job with Sainsbury's, just become a trainee manager, no chance of redundancy (everyone needs food) etc etc etc. We never know what's around the corner do we? I guess with hindsight we would never be in debt, never make a mistake and generally this forum wouldn't exist! :rotfl: :rotfl:

Sadly, it all went wrong in Sept (I wont bore you, its in the other thread :D ) and from then on it's been finding out what I wanted to do after deciding that retail wasn't for me. So I've had a bit of a wage from one place, bit of a wage from another and generally just had a terrible recent few months, I used to spend a lot of money as we do when we are young and stupid, never saved anything and just continued to max out my overdraft. I now realise that we should always be in the best financial state because we never ever know what will occur with our health, and that is the most important thing after our family. :T

So, we are that the stage where I will get paid a wage from IR at the end of the month, I'm currently trying to get on at ASDA / Morrisons for Christmas, as even though its another job change, its what I know with it being retail and something that I will be able to do well at and chuck myself into whilst earning money. I just feel that I need to be in control of things again, and not go 7 days without checking internet banking again (:mad: :confused: )

So, I take it we need a S.O.A? I'll have a look around to see what people put in their's and then I'll work out what I have to go in mine! What should I include in it? Everything that I owe + DD's?

Anything else we need? Start to keep a spending diary? Anything else?

I really need to do this, If I know that I am in control of my finances, I can start to work out how many hours I can do and slowly build that up, at the minute I just need as much money as possible, that isn't right. That isn't being in control!
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  • Plus of course, any extra income that I could earn, I'm signed up with TNS for their mystery shopping but I've yet to do any.

    I've had a look at matched betting but I need some capital to start doing that.

    Any other ideas for extra income, what to sign up for, I need as much extra cash as possible that I can earn whilst at home.

    Obviously there is ebay and amazon, I will sort out as much as I can to go on there today.
  • Oh, I have some questions actually regarding extra income, if I was to do Mystery shopping / ebay / amazon. The payments always go into my main FD account that by that time is usually well overdrafted and the money doesn't make any sort of impact upon my debts. It just services the overdraft by £10 or £20 which means I would probaby end up spending that on something else :(.

    Would it be best practice to set up another account for the extra income? Then chuck money at my debts from this? What priority would you pay off debts? I know martin says highest interest first, but for example, my black horse car loan (SOA on way :) ) has 19% but my hsbc overdraft has around 4% but I would feel fulfilled paying off the smaller debts that exist and make me feel indebted, it would take me some time to pay off £5k of a car loan too!

    What should go in an SOA? Is it basically what I owe to creditors, Ive just done something for the CCCS online that was good, how much I spent on various things, similar to that?
  • Kazonline
    Kazonline Posts: 1,472 Forumite
    If you take a look at this thread it'll show you what to put into an SOA
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=107280

    I fully appreciate where you are coming from with the depression etc as someone who has had many clinical bouts. Dealing with finances is hard enough - but when your head is full of cotton wool and tin foil it's hard to think straight.
    I'm sure once you've done your SOA you'll feel a little relief, and I know that the guys on here will do their very best to help you straighten things out.
    Best wishes,
    Kaz x
    January '06 Grocery Challenge (4th - 31st) £320.
    Week 1 - £73.99 Week 2 £5.10 (so far :p )
    Someone burst my bubble and I lost the plot so no idea what I spent now... :(I will try to work it out.
    Other Jan :- Petrol £20.41, Clothes £8.50, House £3.
  • Hi

    I think it must be obvious that debt is not good news for your health? The fear, the inability to open the post/answer the doorbell (yes, I've been there!) - the worry, all this pushes up the blood-pressure, gives you the 'fight or flight' sensation which is not good news as far as your health is concerned.

    There may be the 'comfort spending' aspect to it, the addiction, the feeling of 'because I'm worth it' (!) another few pounds on the credit card doesn't matter - in that case, it's like any other addiction and there are well-tried and tested ways to deal with it.

    Your SOA is basically your budget. If you go to CAB they talk in terms of 'priority' and 'non-priority' spending. Priority means the roof over your head i.e. rent/mortgage, council tax, utilities, the kind of things that we have no control over but they are part of normal living. Food as well, and you should allow things like travel to work, clothes, something for entertainment, presents, whatever is important to you. Non-priority is everything else, and that includes debts to credit cards and loans.

    Martin has a basic budget planner somewhere on this site - use that, and adapt it to your needs.

    Once you have a budget it can run with very little 'tweaking'. DH and I look at our accounts online every morning - it takes literally minutes and gives a great sense of security and peace of mind, in comparison with the hours I used to spend juggling figures when I was in debt!

    When paying off debts, always pay off those with the highest APR first. This is called 'snowballing' - do a search, I'm sure it's been mentioned before!

    HTH

    Margaret
    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Æ[/FONT]r ic wisdom funde, [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]æ[/FONT]r wear[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]ð[/FONT] ic eald.
    Before I found wisdom, I became old.
  • Monthly Incomings:

    My salary - £970.00 – Just a quick note on this, It’s a full wage, but with my job at HMRC at the minute, I don’t know if it will be a full wage because I’ve been off sick and I don’t know if I will be able to go back this year, additionally I am thinking about going into retail with ASDA / Morrisons so my wage will be lower. Hence why I want to sort out my money because I am aware that my earning potential will be diminished. Not only that but I want to increase my earnings with Ebay, amazon, quidco etc etc etc.

    Monthly Outgoings:

    Board - £50

    Mobile Phone (Orange) - £30 basic, however average is £50 - £60 (I’ll use £55 as a figure)

    Mobile Phone (CPW) £35 basic, however I have been using it so its been around £55 a month that ends in January, so I am cancelling it.(I’ll use £50 as an average figure and use this for my accounting)

    Broadband (Blueyonder) £25 – Very happy, plus in new year, dad is paying £12.50 because we are sharing connection and networking.

    Food - £80 a month (I’ve over budgeted a bit there, I never keep an accurate track on it, with dinner and random meals its around that)

    Car Insurance - £126.50 (Tesco 3rd party F+T)

    Petrol - £140 (Again, without keeping any element of records I don’t know, I fill up when it needs it, depends where I go!)

    I will put all my direct debits on here too, like my car loan etc, then I will put them in my owings box too, so then you are aware what I pay each month.

    Black Horse - £145.89 per month

    Mint Mastercard £50 – frozen interest on it, because I had some cash advances they have locked the interest at 15% instead of the 30% I was paying for cash advances, in return I have to pay £50.00 a month off this balance but £21 interest goes back on!!!

    Mint Mastercard £min payment – Again, what they did was to keep this account open and set me a limit of £100 should I need to use it, so this is the same agreement but my original account, I usually pay the minimum payment off and it’s a direct debit.

    Dad’s Mastercard - £10.00 – For my deposit for car insurance (paid when times were good) he has change it to a 0% interest card with the Halifax so that should mean that I can pay it off easier.

    HFC - £33.95 – Laptop, again when times were good, don’t owe too much on this now, around £400 I think.

    CICA £19 Quarter – This covers me if I’m off work due to injury / illness


    Total: £631.34 – Monthly!!!!!

    That is a hell of a lot of money, bloody hell!!!

    Not only that, I have to service my overdraft (always maxed out at £-500) so I’m left with little disposable income because its just a continuing spiral of overdraft maxing > pay off > pay debts > maxed again.

    Debts with APR’s!

    Mint Mastercard (Original Agreement) – Balance £41.89 (limit £100) APR 15.9%

    Mint Mastercard (Lower Interest 2nd agreement) – Balance £870 APR 15.9%

    Overdraft First Direct (Current Account) 10.9% APR - £-500 (Limit £-500) At the minute its below that but once the mobiles and other things are paid out it will be maxed out once again, at the minute its £-600 because I had to request an increase  (Bank charge request going through)

    Overdraft HSBC (2nd account, unused) £-99 – (Limit £100) 16.6% EAR Unused but the charges and fees have probably kept this where it is, another one to definitely bank charge claim back, again I haven’t used this for ages but the £100 was used some time ago probably.

    Dad’s Mastercard (Credit card for insurance) £420 – Moved to Halifax 0% so I pay off £10 a month, just the minimum payment.

    Black Horse Finance (Car Loan) 21% APR – Paid off now £5136 – If I left it and paid payment per month I would end up paying £8672!

    HFC Bank (Laptop HP) 29.9% APR – £410.11 – Not long to go on this agreement now,

    Catalogue (NEXT) £51.09 – I just pay £10 a month off this with my board payment


    Scary, what about this snowball thing? Do I have to put into a calculator? I want to pay off more than the minimum payment and actually get rid of some of these debts so I dont have to keep paying £33.95 a month. I am sure that I spend more money than that though, I never have £300 left over, for example I dont have just £-200 overdraft, I always have maxed it out so the money is going somewhere!!!
  • Hi there, read a few of your posts over the months - remember 'worrying' is just a bad habit that we fall into... By making some small changes to the way you approach things the world can seem like a much better place, full of opportunities and possibilities...

    The link you're looking for is:
    http://www.whatsthecost.com/snowball.aspx

    It is a fantastic tool that highlights the difference in making different payments to the different debts you have. Have a good play with it - see what looks best for you

    Good luck - its not the end of the world, you're young, you're fit and you sound bright. There is a whole world out there - you can do it!

    G
    Official DFW Nerd Club - Member no. 208 - Proud To Have Dealt With My Debts DEBT FREE DECEMBER 2008!!!
  • Check out my signature! I have worked out my snowball figures and also rung all the lenders to find out exact amounts owed and APR % too!

    Ok, so I need to budget now, I need to look at what I earn and where it goes, the main problem is that my income is eaten up by the overdarft, thus as a result its the vicous circle problem that I have to get into the overdraft again to pay my creditors, the simple thing is for one month to change where I get my salary paid (natwest £150 overdraft only) then tell FD I will pay back the overdraft as much as I can each month. In fairness it will go to the bottom of the list as their APR isn't that high.

    Also, their charges could well pay it off, since it's my money. The snowball thing is really good, tells me what to overpay to get things down, I'm just wasting money on these long standing things, may as well just overpay and get them down!

    Applied for a new job with ASDA, would be on nights, whilst im aware of the stress its a potentially good thing as I would be able to sleep lots and earn a decent wage!

    Advice about budgets / SOA would be great !!!
  • lynzpower
    lynzpower Posts: 25,311 Forumite
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    One thing I noted is this
    CICA £19 Quarter – This covers me if I’m off work due to injury / illness

    Shouldnt it be paying out for you now?
    :beer: Well aint funny how its the little things in life that mean the most? Not where you live, the car you drive or the price tag on your clothes.
    Theres no dollar sign on piece of mind
    This Ive come to know...
    So if you agree have a drink with me, raise your glasses for a toast :beer:
  • Excellent call, Im just having a look at their site now, to make sure that I can claim for depression / stress, If I cant not a point having it really.
  • Stress is often a reaction to not having a goal. Get focussed on your goals in life, small ones and big ones. If you can't think of any goals (well clearing debts is one!) then just make something up. It's better to go through life driven rather than rudderless. Set yourself achievable targets and celebrate to yourself when you achieve them.

    When you've got something to aim for you will think of solutions. Your problems will just become obstacles you just haven't overcome yet. Anybody who has ever done anything has had setbacks and knockdowns. Read some auto/biographies, you'll be surprised how low some famous people have been - but with something to aim for you can pick yourself up and just get on with life.

    There are times when you'll be down - that's only natural. Just be aware that its a temporary feeling, dance around the room or something - just shake it off and get on with living!

    Sorry to ramble!
    Official DFW Nerd Club - Member no. 208 - Proud To Have Dealt With My Debts DEBT FREE DECEMBER 2008!!!
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