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There are nothing subtle about all this.As for "he doesnt advertise it specifically",well no,he doesnt because he knows he is not allowed too on here.
No-one is.
Purplepatch i can see you are a regular.
Tim,I have to admire people who work hard at their business.
I notice whatever company or product OPs mention they are buying/have bought, you always manage to diss it,and recommend your products/prices/advice as the best. As I said,its not subtle.
This site is supposed to be impartial.That doesnt mean saying only you know best and everyone else is talking c@rp,cos thats just.. well,its not impartial,is it?
Hollydays, if you are stalking me so much, and reading all my posts then you will see that I don't just recommend the products I sell.......Only yesterday I recommended 5 or 6 pine beds that were for sale through other sellers.
I don't just diss other products. What I do diss are sales gimmicks like:
pillow tops, non turn mattresses, deep memory foam, etc....
Yes I do recommend 2 sided memory foam/pocket sprung mattresses, but that's because they are the best type of mattress (I do also sell 1 sided memory foam mattresses), which is common sense when you listen to my reasons. I don't give salesmans patter I tell the truth as you will see if you read my ebay feedback.
Remember I am 100% independent, and can sell whatever products I want. So because I give a 100% satisfaction guarantee it makes sense only to sell the very best products, otherwise it could cost me a fortune.
I've noticed a few people on here slate me because they don't like the fact that what they bought actually goes against my advice.0 -
I did tons of research before I purchased. If I'm totally honest, I too had suspicions about impartiality before I researched, read through Tim's previous posts, looked at Which reports, read other articles, went to various department stores and listened to all the sales patter, laid on a lot of beds of varying density, with and without pocket springs, emailed previous ebay purchasers for advice........ and came to the conclusion like Baz, that Tim talks a lot of sense. Anyway, like I said, I couldn't be more satisfied with my new bed.0
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Well Im not sure about Tims impartiality but he has given out some good advice and answered a lot of questions I had asked myself. I could never get my head around the non turn thing, but a marketing gimmick certainly seems to make sense to me.
Anyway Ive a few other questions for you Tim if you dont mind.
I have seen a bed made by Harrison, by all accounts a very good make, it has a sprung base, but it isn't edge sprung. So it has a hard border around it but is springy in the middle. So if you sit on it its firm and you dont feel as though your sliding of it, if you get what I mean. The salesperson, as ever is saying this is a feature and that they have listened to their customers and implemented this firm border. How you get a straight answer out of these people, I dont know as I also asked about another mattress with a non memory foam mattress top and I asked straight out if it would end up like an old lumpy pillow after a few years and she actually said "no". Anyway they are the only divan bases I have seen that have this non edge sprung "feature"? Is their anything particularly wrong with this non edge sprung base or should we stick to looking for a fully sprung edge base?
Also this bed is a AIS (Assoc Independant stores) brand made specially for the AIS stores by Harrison, so it doesn't appear on the Harrison website. It has 2250 pocket springs and costs around £1299. However other non AIS Harrison beds in the same store that do appear on the Harrison website which have around 1600 pocket springs cost more and are much much nicer beds to lie on. Whats going on with this spring count then if they have more springs yet are cheaper and not as nice? Again the salesperson just mubbled junk and never had an answer just telling me they were the same quality.
Anyway I can get a discount with this store and this bed seems to fit the bill but because I cant compare prices elsewhere Im getting itchy feet wondering whether this bed is a compromise and may not be the best I can get for my money.
Not sure if you can help with this but your comments will be appreciated.
As you say Harrison are an excellent make, but I haven't heard of this firm edge thing. To be honest I have never heard anyone say that they roll out of bed because of a sprung base, so it is possible that it is a gimmick, but it doesn't seem a very convincing one.
As for the AIS it would be interesting to see how many retailers are members. Do the retailer have a web site so that I can see the details of the mattress?
I presume the AIS is a group of retailers who do the same as some of the big chain stores. In other words they use their combined buying power to get the manufacturers to relabel items. The main reason for this is to stop price wars with other retailers. However it can also be misleading to the consumer.
As for the number of springs. More than 800 springs in a king size mattress is enough to do what pocket springs are designed to do. If the spring count is too high, then each spring has to be so small and weak that they can get damaged easily.
Your best bet is to ignore what they say about pillow top mattresses and stay clear of them. Also stay away from non turn mattresses, they won't last as long.0 -
Cheers,
Apart from in this store the bed doesn't seem to exist. This seems to happen a lot actually, they all seem to have there own beds which for all intents and purpose dont exist anywhere else. I think sleep master has a range made by relyon aswell which dont exist anywhere else. Which means theres no information at all apart from what they tell you. The AIS thing is purely a buying group and the store itself doesn't have a website thats any use at all.
I can see its a good bed and the 20% discount I get brings it into budget but I'm still not convinced.
I get what you say about the spring count, but still sometimes you lie on these high spring expensive beds and they are on another comfort level all together than the low 800 - 1000 spring ones.
I thought buying a TV was bad with all the jargon and options but these beds and stuff are just as bad.
Also these non turn mattresses, If it is advertised as non turn does that mean you cant turn them or that you dont have to turn them. i.e do all non turn mattresses not have the build to enable you to turn them anyway. The memory foam layer ones obviously cant be turned unless it has layers top and bottom, but for just normal pocket sprung beds, can you turn them anyway? It seems nearly all mattresses seem to be non turn these days.0 -
Cheers,
I can see its a good bed and the 20% discount I get brings it into budget but I'm still not convinced.
Have you tried out other makes?
You said that the other Harrison beds were more comfortable, but more expensive. Harrison is a very expensive make, so the chances are that you could find one of the more comfortable models for sale on line for a much lower price.I get what you say about the spring count, but still sometimes you lie on these high spring expensive beds and they are on another comfort level all together than the low 800 - 1000 spring ones.
It is usually a case that manufacturers charge far more for mattresses with higher spring counts, so some (not all) of them also use other fillings to make them feel more comfortable.I thought buying a TV was bad with all the jargon and options but these beds and stuff are just as bad.
There is just as much jargon talked about beds. You can often find that whatever bed they are trying to push that month will be the best thing since sliced bread. But the next month it appears to be another bed which is better.Also these non turn mattresses, If it is advertised as non turn does that mean you cant turn them or that you dont have to turn them. i.e do all non turn mattresses not have the build to enable you to turn them anyway. The memory foam layer ones obviously cant be turned unless it has layers top and bottom, but for just normal pocket sprung beds, can you turn them anyway? It seems nearly all mattresses seem to be non turn these days.
Most non turn mattresses can't be turned because they don't have the same quilting on both sides. However there are some mattresses that they claim you don't need to turn them, but you can if you want to.
Well to be honest if they use good quality springs, then they should last longer than mattresses used to without being turned, but if you do turn them they will last far longer. All pocket sprung mattresses should be 2 sided.0 -
Does the base/bedstead make much of a difference?
For instance if I put a good quality Calypso mattress on a good quality bed with a slatted base is it going to be considerably different to the same matress on a sprung divan?
Also a question for Tim. Do you know the dimensions of the Calypso Superking? I like the Silentnight upholstered bedsteads but need to know if it will fit.0 -
Does the base/bedstead make much of a difference?
For instance if I put a good quality Calypso mattress on a good quality bed with a slatted base is it going to be considerably different to the same matress on a sprung divan?
Also a question for Tim. Do you know the dimensions of the Calypso Superking? I like the Silentnight upholstered bedsteads but need to know if it will fit.
The base does make a difference. The best base to give a more luxurious feel is a sprung divan base, or if you are going for a bedstead then a sprung slatted base. However if you like a very firm bed then you would be better off with either a platform top divan, or a non sprung slatted base. You need to read below before using a pocket sprung mattress on a slatted base.
Although open coil sprung mattresses are the most suitable for slatted bases, you can use a pocket sprung or memory foam mattress just by making a slight modification to your base. I personally have a Calypso mattress on my pine slatted bed. The reason that pocket sprung mattresses aren't usually suitable for slatted bases is because each spring works independently, so if the gaps between the slats are too big then the springs will try to push between them. What I have done to prevent this is to add extra slats to close the gap to about 1 inch. As the Calypso has a layer of memory foam on both sides, then this will help to spread the weight out over the slats, you you can get away with a gap of 2". If you can't add extra slats, then you can lay a sheet of peg board (hard board with loads of holes in it) over the slats.
The sizes are standard UK sizes, so a super king size mattress is 5' wide by 6'6" long. The silentnight bases should also be standard UK sizes.
Small Single 2'6" x 6'3"
Standard Single 3' x 6'3"
Small Double 4' x 6'3"
Standard Double 4'6" x 6'3"
King Size 5' x 6'6"
Super King Size 6' x 6'6"0 -
Tim - I have been looking at Ergoflex Memory Mattresses, are they any good or would I be better with the Calypso one you recommend0
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Just to chime in about Tim - I have no affiliation with him but bought a mattress off of ebay from his company after reading his posts here. I bought an orthopedic one, and it is really, really nice. Far better than anything available locally for the price.
Great service as well. I was a bit sceptical after reading a few of the posts questioning his impartiality, but am glad now that I ordered from him - we are sleeping very well and actually get out of bed without the usual aches and pains.:happylove0 -
Tim - I have been looking at Ergoflex Memory Mattresses, are they any good or would I be better with the Calypso one you recommend
Well according to the osteopath that I sold both a Calypso and an Eros to, they say that the pocket sprung/memory foam option is by far the best. She did say (this really surprised me) that if you can't afford pocket sprung with memory foam, then the next best option for back support is pocket sprung only.
As for the Ergoflex, well apart from the fact that it is reflex foam with memory foam, there are a couple of concerns:
1) The memory foam is far too deep at 9cm.
The memory foam layer should be between 2" (5cm) and 2 1/2" (6.5cm) deep. Less than this and it won't contour to your body. More than this and it will engulf you and make you too hot, and also make it difficult to change position.
2) The density of the memory foam is very high at 85kg per m3.
Memory foam should be between 55kg per m3 and 67 kg per m3. 85kg would be ok if you like a very firm mattress.
However it all depends on the price you would be paying for the Ergoflex.
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