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I think that as you are so determined that
1. you don't need any further training or support in your job
2. you don't need to read your T's & C's and contract to clarify things
3. you don't need to speak to your line manager to discuss this
4. you don't want to even divulge what you do for a living
then you don't really need any further input from me.
But can I just say - you DID ask for the advice that you have been given by everyone.
morning floss, I think you must have missed the post where I said that I spoke to a senior manager last night, and that they confirmed that Im correct that training is not compulsory during none term time.
Also I have said that there is training coming up that is relevent to my job that I am doing and have requested
I dont think what I do for a living is relevent, Its not a job that you have to have xyz qualifications to be able to do it.
It would be useful for ME to have relevent industry qualifications, but this one day thing is no use to me at all.
I do thank each and everyone of you for your imput, but im still sitting here amaized that people think anyone who is a single parent should just shut up and do as their told and be grateful for the money to the detriment of their lifestyle choice.0 -
I dont think anyone is saying that. You brought the issue that you were a single mum to the table,how else would we have known? If it is not an issue why mention it?
I think that what most people are saying is that employers value employees who are flexible and try to fit in. A one day training course that you had advance notice of, is hardly a very onerous thing to have to do, regardless of timing.
Courses run at certain times in a year ,if that falls outside term time it is not unreasonable imo for your employer to do what he has done.
That he is now saying you do not have to attend is laudable, but it will not be forgotten and despite what you say, as someone who interviews(teachers) it does leave a lasting impression.and may colour the view of the next single parent applicant,as that will probably be seen as the reason for your refusal, as you cited family time as the reason for taking the job.
That is clearly unfair as in your case it is not the reason(but one I get the inpression you would have happily hidden behind had your child been younger)it just seems as if you think your skills are so highly valued that it is the employer not you that has to put up and shut up.
I do hope you are right but most of us value our jobs(especially those of us with coveted term time working) and want to try to be flexible, so we do what has been asked of us within reason, and imo what was asked of you was within reason.0 -
Poet123, I wish I could thank you many times for this; you've said all I've wanted to say and more.0
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Oldernotwiser wrote: »You're lucky that your employer treats its part time staff equally with its full time staff when it comes to training; if they didn't you'd really have something to complain about.
Not lucky - its a legal requirement.I consider myself to be a male feminist. Is that allowed?0 -
Does your contract state "Term-time"? If not, then you may find that your protestations are worthless.
Not necessarlily. Under 'Custom and Practise' an employer cannot make you do anything that is not normally required. You may have clauses in your contract, but if the employer never uses them, they are unenforcable.I consider myself to be a male feminist. Is that allowed?0 -
I thnik if the employer provides training for full-time staff during their working hours, then they should provide training for part-time staff during their working hours.I consider myself to be a male feminist. Is that allowed?0
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But that may not be practical if a course is run on or has availability on or is best suited to the majority, on say Fridays, or in July only, and the PT worker does not work then. Surely a bit of give and take is all that is required?0
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But that may not be practical if a course is run on or has availability on or is best suited to the majority, on say Fridays, or in July only, and the PT worker does not work then. Surely a bit of give and take is all that is required?
But it sounds as if the OP's employer is all take and no give.I consider myself to be a male feminist. Is that allowed?0 -
surreysaver wrote: »Not necessarlily. Under 'Custom and Practise' an employer cannot make you do anything that is not normally required. You may have clauses in your contract, but if the employer never uses them, they are unenforcable.
Custom & practice generally works in an employee's favour:
In addition, the contract of employment will also include ‘custom and practice’ agreements. These are how things are usually done in the workplace, for example, if the employer always gives the employees a day’s holiday in August. Even though this is not mentioned in the written contract this will form part of the contract of employment as it is the usual practice.
If the written contract says one thing, but in practice all the employees have been doing something else with the employer’s knowledge, the ‘custom and practice’ would form the contract rather than the written statement.(CAB advice pages)surreysaver wrote: »But it sounds as if the OP's employer is all take and no give.
Not from where I'm sitting.......the amount of SD hours being offered by the employer seems to be a generous "give"......0 -
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