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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »My agenda also is what's best for Scotland.
Not the myopic perceptions of an incompetent party but a balanced, logical and competent long-term plan.
Random "fear" posts about Scotland are not the sole domain of those who have or will have anything to do with Scotland, as is obvious from this thread. Decrying non-Scots posters does your cause no good and in honesty the pro-indy faction needs all the goodwill it can get.
You carry on though, it further increases positive perceptions of Unionists and their cause.
I respect your thoughts and I'm happy for you to vote in whatever way you choose but when someone keeps spamming the thread with fear posts to try and influence a vote when they aren't even entitled to a vote is a bit much.
One has to wonder what motivates tricky!0 -
More BS from a Westminster bot who doesn't care one bit about Scotland.
An independent Scotland has everything to succeed and there is too much to lose by remaining in the UK.
Don't let the doom mongers with their alternative agenda wear you down.
I am a Scot through and through and would rather support the Westminster Government than have anything to do with the SNP.
All we hear from Sturgeons mouth is excuses for her own colleagues mistakes and from her scaremongering threats.
What the SNP are forgetting is that we, the Scottish people. are very intelligent and have seen through all their phony ploys.0 -
Your whole post above was a lie! There is no proof to what you call facts.
Scotland would do very well in the long term as a 5m+ nation. I don't understand why you have a problem with that.
In my opinion not true.
I think it would do very badly, to the extent services,the economy and life as we know it would be ruined.
That's why TT is a concerned British citizen, as am I.
As are the millions of people who oppose Scottish Independence.
We're not opposing it for a laugh you know.0 -
If Scotland wanted to use Sterling what are they going to use to buy Sterling to enable them to trade?
Nicola can I buy a new helicopter from abroad?
Sorry you will have to wait until we have a 1m bottles of Scotch contra deal with that country!
Alternatively you could buy a Scottish made helicopter............but we don't make any helicopters in Scotland............:cool:0 -
Your whole post above was a lie! There is no proof to what you call facts.
Scotland would do very well in the long term as a 5m+ nation. I don't understand why you have a problem with that.
Wow. There's no proof to what I call facts...
So:
- There's no economic data from the UK government and Scottish parliament?
- There's no basis in reality to Yale published research papers on the 'Border Effect'?
- There's no proof that Scotland trades more with the rest of the UK than it does with the rest of the world and the EU combined?
- There's no economic analysis done on the impact of Brexit and of Scottish independence on Scotland's jobs?
- There is no basis in reality for any of the GERS statistics, despite being audited and reviewed by the UK Statistics Authority, accepted by the Scottish parliament and used as a basis for the SNP's Growth Commission?
- The analysis on a Norwegian style Scottish 'oil fund' was complete fantasy, that it wouldn't take 20 years+ of lower spending, higher taxes and no income from oil to achieve something like 1/5th of what Norway has?
- The fact that people in Scotland are producing white papers that try to address the above issues is some form of propaganda, presumably you think from Westminster infiltrators?
Could it really be one big conspiracy to keep the Scots held down?
I have a problem with you telling quite obvious, massive lies. Like your indy friends do (some from time to time). I don't have a problem with Scotland, I'm trying to help the blind to see, as good Samaritans do.
For example, we laughed when you said you could inherit the UK's EU membership, we were told we were idiots and clearly there was a basis for it in law... and then because Nicola changes tack all of a sudden, we were right but we're still wrong, and you were right all along somehow.
Then there's the time you tried to tell us all that green energy exports from wind turbines would be able to fill fiscal gaps in the Scottish economy. I don't even need to explain to everyone how ridiculous that is.
And you say, selfishly I might add, that I've no skin in the game so to speak. Well actually if you had even the slightest modicum of knowledge on how economies operate you'd know I do. An independent Scotland is going to hurt trade, revenue, relations, families, friends, and much more besides between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK. There is no way you're going to switch from 300 years of being the same country to being 2 without significant pain on both sides.
Seems to me at least that there's only one of us that's relying on lies to make our argument. And it ain't me.0 -
Living in England I believe that decisions affecting us should be made by people who live within our legal jurisdiction and therefore must live with their consequences. I imagine Scotland might feel the same. Let Scotland devolve as much as it desires.
I voted for devolution to London and would vote for an English parliament if more parties backed such a policy. Let England devolve as much as it desires.
Democracy’s not always the most economically efficient thing, but that doesn’t make it wrong.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
Living in England I believe that decisions affecting us should be made by people who live within our legal jurisdiction and therefore must live with their consequences. I imagine Scotland might feel the same. Let Scotland devolve as much as it desires.
I voted for devolution to London and would vote for an English parliament if more parties backed such a policy. Let England devolve as much as it desires.
Democracy’s not always the most economically efficient thing, but that doesn’t make it wrong.
A federal UK?
The problem for Scotland of course is that the more it devolves or the more the UK federalises the less cash it will get from the collective UK pot. One only has to remember the SNP 's attitude to the briefly mooted FFA to see how scared they are of further devolution. The SNP plan is simple, take but deny the rUK 'subsidy', and hope sometime in the future that enough Scots, probably off the back of some imagined grevience will vote for independence and instant penury.
It ain't happening IMO.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »I see after many thousands of posts we're still being told Scots will vote to put 500,000 jobs at risk for the price of 120,000. Mind you if everyone's maths in the pro indy support is as good as some on here that's quite believable...
Tricky,
You're repeating an argument that has already been answered.
In your extreme example, the UK would be well and truly stuffed, up creek without a paddle and in those extreme circumstances, I'd rather be in a market 8 times the size of rUK:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Tricky,
You're repeating an argument that has already been answered.
In your extreme example, the UK would be well and truly stuffed, up creek without a paddle and in those extreme circumstances, I'd rather be in a market 8 times the size of rUK
Why would the UK be stuffed?
For Scotland it would only be 11% of trade and a risk to 120,000 jobs.
As opposed to 64% of trade and 500,000 jobs.
It's not been answered, it's been glossed over because it cannot be answered. Independence is bad for Scottish jobs.0 -
Darn, already answered and correctly too.IveSeenTheLight wrote: »AMSJ,
I was discussing with another poster in this thread on this subject.
There will be cross thread discussions when the thread topics are overlapping.
There's no need for you to try and dictate what or where I post
Just to remind you though, there was no dictatorial demand; there was a suggestion on options if you really want to.
We know comprehension is not a strong point with you though.
As the following shows:
Not only completely wrong but again another yet attempt to provoke heated argument that has been discussed to death in here!IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Tricky,
You're repeating an argument that has already been answered.
In your extreme example, the UK would be well and truly stuffed, up creek without a paddle and in those extreme circumstances, I'd rather be in a market 8 times the size of rUK
As said, it cannot be answered.
Neither of the options has happened.
Move on.
And now please cease provocative and argumentative attempts.
Because you really do look more and more like one of those words that you say you hate (but keep using any way).
Before you even try (as I and most others know you will) I will not respond to the undoubtedly argumentative reply that as sure as night follows day will soon pop up from you.
If you really want to pick a fight I politely suggest trying other methods.0
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