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Lapland New Forest Scam. How to get money back...
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I don't usually get involved in these debates, but as a grandfather of a 2 year old, I am saddened by reports of these people 'cobbling together' a mish-mash of fairground rides and stalls to make a quick buck. The financial losses of the parents are bad enough, but to dishearten and disillusion kids at this time of the year is criminal !!
I was intrigued by the pictures of the very professional looking 'Disney' costumes on the LWM site, so emailed Disney to see what their involvement is....
Here is their reply -
"Thank you for your email. The 'Lapland' event you mentioned is in no way associated with The Walt Disney Company and the information you provided is being sent to our Legal Department. We want you to know that we very much appreciate the time you took to bring this matter to our attention. We protect our intellectual property rights vigorously and we take reports of suspected infringements very seriously. However, as you can appreciate, our investigations are confidential. We neither reveal our sources nor do we generally correspond further with them about the investigation. Please feel free to use our email address (tips@disneyantipiracy.com) or our Antipiracy voice mail hotline, +818-560-3300, if you want to provide more information about the suspected infringement or to report a suspected infringement in the future."0 -
Ah fantastic, the power of the Internet.
I bet these guys thought there'd be no publicity and any complaints would be on a local level, which they'd have a few !!!!! blokes there to intimidate complainers away.
They hadn't realised that the whole thing was going to blow up in their face with the publicity of the New Forest event.
They must know it's just not going to happen, either no one's going to turn up or it'll just get closed down.0 -
I don't usually get involved in these debates, but as a grandfather of a 2 year old, I am saddened by reports of these people 'cobbling together' a mish-mash of fairground rides and stalls to make a quick buck. The financial losses of the parents are bad enough, but to dishearten and disillusion kids at this time of the year is criminal !!
I was intrigued by the pictures of the very professional looking 'Disney' costumes on the LWM site, so emailed Disney to see what their involvement is....
Here is their reply -
"Thank you for your email. The 'Lapland' event you mentioned is in no way associated with The Walt Disney Company and the information you provided is being sent to our Legal Department. We want you to know that we very much appreciate the time you took to bring this matter to our attention. We protect our intellectual property rights vigorously and we take reports of suspected infringements very seriously. However, as you can appreciate, our investigations are confidential. We neither reveal our sources nor do we generally correspond further with them about the investigation. Please feel free to use our email address (tips@disneyantipiracy.com) or our Antipiracy voice mail hotline, +818-560-3300, if you want to provide more information about the suspected infringement or to report a suspected infringement in the future."
Brilliant work :T0 -
What a shambles! How long has the site for the Midlands one been online does anyone know? Do you think they have had time (before the New Forest one was exposted) to sell any number of tickets?
Domain name:
laplandwestmidlands.co.uk
Registrant:
Chris Daily
Registrant type:
UK Individual
Registrant's address:
25 Bee Lane
Wolverhampton
W Midlands
WV10 6LE
GB
Registrar:
Stonehenge Internet & Database Services Ltd [Tag = STONEHENGE]
URL: http://www.stonehengeinternet.co.uk
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 20-Nov-2008
Renewal date: 20-Nov-2010
Registration status:
Registration request being processed.
Name servers:
ns1.stonehengeint.co.uk
ns2.stonehengeint.co.uk
WHOIS lookup made at 16:25:41 05-Dec-2008
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The registration of a domain does not relate to the publication of a web site using that domain as a reference (or 'URL') so the web site could have been published at any time between the registration and the first example of it being visible as an HTTP document using the aforesaid domain. Either way this means a few weeks at the most.
**Unsubstantiated**
Note, somewhere on a forum I recall that An 'Anna and Chris Daley' (sic) were quoted as being directors of a company based on the same site as the 'event'. I have been unable to verify this so I provide this purely for your information and it in no way implicates any individual in any way whatsoever. I will endeavour to find more.0 -
I don't usually get involved in these debates, but as a grandfather of a 2 year old, I am saddened by reports of these people 'cobbling together' a mish-mash of fairground rides and stalls to make a quick buck. The financial losses of the parents are bad enough, but to dishearten and disillusion kids at this time of the year is criminal !!
I was intrigued by the pictures of the very professional looking 'Disney' costumes on the LWM site, so emailed Disney to see what their involvement is....
Here is their reply -
"Thank you for your email. The 'Lapland' event you mentioned is in no way associated with The Walt Disney Company and the information you provided is being sent to our Legal Department. We want you to know that we very much appreciate the time you took to bring this matter to our attention. We protect our intellectual property rights vigorously and we take reports of suspected infringements very seriously. However, as you can appreciate, our investigations are confidential. We neither reveal our sources nor do we generally correspond further with them about the investigation. Please feel free to use our email address (tips@disneyantipiracy.com) or our Antipiracy voice mail hotline, +818-560-3300, if you want to provide more information about the suspected infringement or to report a suspected infringement in the future."
That's priceless! I wonder how much more there is to come out of all this...?
The images of the west midlands event look possibly even worse than the ones of the new forest one!! - which by the way.. thank goodness it's been closed down, my family were due to go tomorrow!Destash Challenge: 0/100
Ultimate Losers Challenge: 8/39
Declutter Challenge: 35/5000 -
Domain name:
laplandwestmidlands.co.uk
Registrant:
Chris Daily
Registrant type:
UK Individual
Registrant's address:
25 Bee Lane
Wolverhampton
W Midlands
WV10 6LE
GB
Registrar:
Stonehenge Internet & Database Services Ltd [Tag = STONEHENGE]
URL: http://www.stonehengeinternet.co.uk
Relevant dates:
Registered on: 20-Nov-2008
Renewal date: 20-Nov-2010
Registration status:
Registration request being processed.
Name servers:
ns1.stonehengeint.co.uk
ns2.stonehengeint.co.uk
Oh dear someone has just sent Stonehenge a tip off :rolleyes:
Your ticket has been successfully created. An email has been sent to your address with the ticket information. If you would like to view this ticket now you can do so.
You may want to read this? Disney maybe approaching you soon.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=16489513&postcount=516
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092216/Second-Winter-Blunderland-theme-park-exposed-10-tents-muddy-field.html?ITO=14900 -
ooops.... Naughty Rudolph.
I have just noticed that the naughty reindeer has also pointed out to PayPal (as the payment provider) to this thread as well as the Daily Mail article.
Reindeers eh, mind of their own......0 -
And if you go through to the purchase stage of their website this is what you have to bring to "collect" your tickets
To get in bring "A printed copy of your Order Confirmation email.
Your Unique Booking Number (your PayPal order confirmation number).
The credit card you used to book your ticket(s).
One form of Booking Address ID - such as a utility bill - please remember this ID on the day!"
Now if someone was interested in identity theft these documents could be quite useful??
Very nearly sold out on 12th Dec I have managed to get the site to accept an order for 2598 tickets on the day then link through to paypal cost £64950. If I just keep adding 999 tickets each time i'm sure it wont stop0 -
Stonehenge are on the ballThank you for bring this matter to my attention.
Stonehenge Internet takes very seriously the use of copyright material without permission hosted on our servers and violates our terms and conditions. If, indeed no permission has been granted for these images to be used, we will take immediate steps to withdraw them from our servers.0 -
Thanks to Edna and Phil, right now the owners of the huskies could do with more comments like yours.Thank you for your polite response. It seems to me that there will always be some 'clashes' in any forum - and indeed this is vital for a reasoned debate, even if a little uncomfortable. Whether you are vain or not is a matter for you (I hope you didn't think I suggested that) and there is nothing wrong with some degree of vanity!
I will make no comment regarding Gomer's attitude, as that is to some extent in the eye of the beholder.
I would say though, that in this Lapland debacle there are many victims who may be less able to take action than those involved in other consumer issues, consideration of the demographic suggest this to me, but again this is merely my opinion, however having considered posting on a number of other fora I feel my judgment is borne out. If this is true then action taken by others who are possibly better equipped and more experienced in these matters is, I feel, appropriate.
I also agree with your comments regarding things not being black and white. No-one should act as judge and jury for matters that are yet to be investigated. Some assumptions can be relatively safely made *now* though, one, the Huskies do not seem to have been at particular risk, unfortunately this discussion was a bit of a distraction. Further, I think the evidence that this event was not as described is overwhelming and again this has been borne out by recent events.
I think it was unfair for someone to accuse you of being Victor Mears without any evidence, although I don't believe the majority of readers of this forum would have taken that comment seriously.
You are correct that this forum is valuable, and I can speak as someone who has been involved in the Internet for over 25 years (much longer than the WWW has been around) and I have seen many examples of abuse. One comment worth bearing in mind (for all) was made by Jon Postel, one of the founding fathers of the Internet way back in 1980:
"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send."
Not a bad maxim in my mind.
Let's turn to that other potential Scam in the West Midlands.
Edna0
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