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  • techno12
    techno12 Posts: 741 Forumite
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    Utility Point have decided to up my DD as well.

    Looks like their system is just increasing it to match my current summer usage, and doesn't realise that I'm on the "pay double/pay half" system and the whole point of that is to overpay during winter and underpay during summer.

    I've emailed them to see what they say (ie refund the credit, or take the DD back to the previous level).
  • I've asked them to confirm what they now think my usage will now be, how they have calculated that, and how they have calculated the new DD amount.

    A quick update on this.

    Almost two weeks after the original email I have not had a response. However, about a week ago I noticed that the DD amount on the web portal seems to have reverted back to the original amount (but I've not received any other written confirmation of a change).

    So, the positive is that they seem to have reversed the increase, and done so reasonably quickly, but I'm not too impressed by the failure the provide a justification for the original increase, not even telling me what their new estimate for my usage was. If a supplier is going to increase a DD they should be able to explain that decision.

    I'm not going to request a credit refund, even though it stills look like I will be in credit at the end of the fixed term. If I do switch, I'd prefer to be slightly in credit, so that there is no justification for blocking a switch.
  • As the majority of posts on these type of forums tend to be far more negative than positive, I'll take the time to post a positive post.

    I've been with Utility Point since April 2018 - never had an issue with them.

    Any time I needed adjustment to Direct Debit, quick message on Facebook and handled right away.

    I left in mid-August for Symbio (electricity only) as the rate was around £100 less per year, but the U.P. renewal rate offered was highly competitive.

    Final invoice was produced within 2 weeks (27 August) with a credit of £45. This credit was in my current account on 3 Sept.

    I would have no hesitation going back to Utility Point if needed.
  • tk47
    tk47 Posts: 311 Forumite
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    edited 5 September 2019 at 6:11PM
    merchcon55 wrote: »
    As the majority of posts on these type of forums tend to be far more negative than positive, I'll take the time to post a positive post.

    I've been with Utility Point since April 2018 - never had an issue with them.

    Any time I needed adjustment to Direct Debit, quick message on Facebook and handled right away.

    I left in mid-August for Symbio (electricity only) as the rate was around £100 less per year, but the U.P. renewal rate offered was highly competitive.

    Final invoice was produced within 2 weeks (27 August) with a credit of £45. This credit was in my current account on 3 Sept.

    I would have no hesitation going back to Utility Point if needed.

    Like you, we have also just switched from UP to Symbio, due to our fixed contract with UP coming to an end and Symbio offering us a cheaper alternative than UP could for the coming year.

    I wouldn't say we have had no issues, but it really isn't the disaster some MSEers are trying to make out either.

    To those affected by an unjustified request for a DD increase, refer back to my earlier posts (posts#149 onwards in this thread) and you will see if you follow the MSE guidance given here,
    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/lower-energy-direct-debits/
    many people found that UP will resolve the matter, without anyone having to create a crisis over it.

    When we came to leave the supplier last month (about 3 weeks into it), we provided our closing meter reads to UP at the same time as we provided tham as opening reads to Symbio
    (I know we didn't need to, but it was only a few more clicks of the mouse & keyboard)

    There was no attempt to block us from switching, but we did receive a courtesy call (as well as a 'sorry you are leaving' email) to ask why we were wishing to switch supplier. We explained it was due to the higher cost, and UP agreed their tariff cost had gone up.

    But we were surprised to receive our regular end of month email request for meter reads. We replied saying you've had the final reads for the last day you supplied; you will get no more readings from us. That email response went unanswered. (Not a biggy for us)

    However, on Monday morning, we noticed that the regualr monthly payment was collected from our bank account. As payments are in advance (and we estimate a small credit would be on our final bill anyway (bearing in mind we paid August in advance at beginning of month, but only got supplied by UP for about 3 weeks of that month), we fired off an email compliant. It was answered later that day, apologoising for the latest collection, and immediately repaying us the monthly amount direct back to our bank account. It may not be technically the correct way to resolve a DD issue, but it worked for us, and was possible as we have not cancelled our DD mandate, because if our calculation is incorrect and we do end up owing UP a small amount on the final bill, they can collect it.
    UP also set our DD monthly payment to £0.00 pending the final bill, which as all suppliers say, can take up to 6 weeks. You can see this Dd amount via the online account. They cannot use the meter readings we supplied for final billing purposes, as they must have them from the data collector who will also verify them.

    So Tuesday was equally concerning when they produced a monthly statement for the whole of August. They had used the meter redaings we had provided in week 3, and estimated some readings until the end of the month. They also charged us standing charges for all days in August, despite not supplying us every day of August.
    So another email complaint fired off. That too was responded to later that day. They apologised again, cancelled the incorrect statement for August (so the account balance has gone up again) and say they will now wait to produce the final bill (as they need the meter readings from the data collector and don't have them from the data collector yet)

    So not without issues. But the issues we have had have always been quickly and saisifactorily resolved.

    No need to make a mountain out of a molehill.

    We, too, would consider them again in the future, but only if the price is right. Sadly, I doubt it will be right again whilst they are dishing out referral monies to the spammers, but we'll see.
  • HonestJohn
    HonestJohn Posts: 1,248 Forumite
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    Same experience as tk47 with final bill. Emailed and awaiting repsonse. We shouldn't have to do this though.
    Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning. Albert Einstein
  • Yes, I also had the same. Final bill was not produced, but a continuation bill. Although I got it sorted fairly quickly, as you say, HJ, it should not have happened in the first place.
  • tk47
    tk47 Posts: 311 Forumite
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    edited 8 September 2019 at 1:30PM
    tk47 wrote: »
    ...

    So Tuesday was equally concerning when they produced a monthly statement for the whole of August. They had used the meter redaings we had provided in week 3, and estimated some readings until the end of the month. They also charged us standing charges for all days in August, despite not supplying us every day of August.
    So another email complaint fired off. That too was responded to later that day. They apologised again, cancelled the incorrect statement for August (so the account balance has gone up again) and say they will now wait to produce the final bill (as they need the meter readings from the data collector and don't have them from the data collector yet)

    ....

    So on Wednesday, they go and produce another monthly statement, and apply that to my account. They emailed me yesterday to say it had been applied. (which I've only caught up with today)

    It's exactly the same erroneous statement as was loaded previously, and removed, save for a new date and new statement reference number.

    Another email fired off. Let's see what happens this time.
    (I don't expect a reply until tomorrow, as it's Sunday today)
  • griffb
    griffb Posts: 179 Forumite
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    My switch from UP to Symbio seems to be following much the same path. Switch date was 26th August. I had the "sorry you are leaving" email on 14th, and the subsequent customer service phone call to double check. Gave Symbio and UP the meter reading on 26th. UP produced a statement to 31 Aug estimating an extra 5 days usage, then took a d/d for September even though I am well over a month in credit. I've politely asked for that back, and an indication of when I might receive a corrected final bill and credit balance refund.


    To be fair, I've had similar (and worse) problems switching between "Big 6" suppliers
  • tk47
    tk47 Posts: 311 Forumite
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    So further to my post from yesterday above, I had an email at 09:30am which cancelled the erroneous, duplicated bill and now has the final bill in place.

    Also promised the small credit will be refunded by cob tomorrow. :)

    The final bill is not quite what I expected as it as used 1 unit different to that I gave both my new supplier and UP, but that may be the independent data collector playing silly bu99ers.
    That's going to cost be an extra 0.0015p! :eek:
    (providing my new supplier also uses the same figure - I'll post about that elsewhere)

    A couple of things to note to those leaving UP:
    1. Whilst you retain access to your online account, you lose access to all your meter readings history
    (but they are available on your statements that remain online)
    2. Similarly, your usage history graph has no data any more.

    So if you want your meter reading history, and you don't have a record yourself, I suggest you grab the data before you get your final bill.
    I'd also recommend you download anything else you may want in future (such as your statements) if you've not already downloaded them. Whilst they remain available online, no telling when UP may pull them.
  • griffb
    griffb Posts: 179 Forumite
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    Followed up on my email from last week this morning, got a reply almost by return. The August bill has now had the estimated use for 26-31 August removed, my final reading has been confirmed, account has been closed and my refund is in the system.
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