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UK Unemployment on the up!
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I didn't quite understand that post by ianmr65....but reading back the gigantic words....old people on pensions?.
You know what? I have no problem working and paying taxes to support old people at all. What is your problem with old people?
I have no problem at all with old people;.
We are, however, in danger of having a demographic problem. Retiring at 55 or so isn't really an option for society, as people live so much longer and the population ages.
Both my uncles retired at 55. My maternal uncle, who was born in 1943 and is now 64, worked for Barclays and retired at 55 on a final salary linked pension. My paternal uncle, born in 1947, retired from the civil service on a final salary linked pension. This type of deal isn't going to be affordable....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »Old people worked and paid taxes. And they get a fixed pension income with minimum top ups available to other groups.
It'll be a different matter in 30 years' time when there will be old people who have NEVER worked or contributed, but just thought they were owed a living. But this lot went through wars to fight for this country. They all had family/friends/loved ones that died in those wars. They didn't have benefits/top ups available to them when they were younger. There were no schemes or funds, no nice life.
This lot didn't necessarily go through wars! If you are now 60, you were born in 1948, after the 2nd world war ended. In many ways life had advantages it doesn't now, at least if you were bright and hard-working. Grammar schools, grants for education, etc....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
Sorry to hear about your son fc...you're obviously shook up.
Thanks to PN and fc for sticking up for pensioners, I'm not one yet... but perhaps rather than pay out pensions to people who have worked and paid in ianmr65 would like to see them all stood up against a wall and shot when they get to pension age, that would include him of course, unless he never intends to get old. ADon't believe everything you think.
Blessed are the cracked...for they are the ones who let in the light. A x0 -
This would be an argument if there were full employment. But there isn't. While younger people are still available to work, why work the old 'uns to death?neverdespairgirl wrote: »I have no problem at all with old people;.
We are, however, in danger of having a demographic problem. Retiring at 55 or so isn't really an option for society, as people live so much longer and the population ages.
Both my uncles retired at 55. My maternal uncle, who was born in 1943 and is now 64, worked for Barclays and retired at 55 on a final salary linked pension. My paternal uncle, born in 1947, retired from the civil service on a final salary linked pension. This type of deal isn't going to be affordable.
It's not like the younger people are having to do 2 jobs just to get all the work done, while the old ones sit and take take take.
Most of those schemes have stopped now anyway. And those are the deals those people signed up to, that's why they stuck at their jobs instead of leaving: because it was a good pension.
What's needed is more jobs, less benefits.
I don't have any pension at all. I'll be relying entirely on the state old age one.0 -
I guess that's true of the younger ones. But they did live through some dire times.neverdespairgirl wrote: »This lot didn't necessarily go through wars! If you are now 60, you were born in 1948, after the 2nd world war ended. In many ways life had advantages it doesn't now, at least if you were bright and hard-working. Grammar schools, grants for education, etc.
When I was growing up EVERY pensioner had been in WW2 and every older one had been in WW1 too.
My father was under German occupation in the war. My mother cut rubies for the gun sights in a factory.
My father's family lost everything in the war. Their big house, businesses. The lot.
The big chateau in France was taken too.
But then I'm older than many here.0 -
They are also lucky to be old...it meant they lived and survived.
My son got run over today. He is 21...on a pushbike, on the roundabout at Brighton pier.
Sorry to hear about your son's accident, hope he mends soon.
Did he get her contact details?...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »When I was growing up EVERY pensioner had been in WW2 and every older one had been in WW1 too.
My father was under German occupation in the war. My mother cut rubies for the gun sights in a factory.
In some ways it can be more recent than we think - for example, my OH is 30, and yet his 3 uncles were killed in the Holocaust. His grandfather escaped, and came to the UK, married, and had OH's father....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
awwww... sounds like he's going to milk it though. Should score him extra points with girls!They are also lucky to be old...it meant they lived and survived.
My son got run over today. He is 21...on a pushbike, on the roundabout at Brighton pier. Somersaluted over the car and then fell into the path of another.
She swerved (which could have been fatal for her but, luckily wasn't) and just missed him.
He fell onto the road, looked up and thought 'F""k, this is it'.
He was on his way to help me in the shop unpacking stock. He was cycling carefully. The driver who hit him explained that he wasn't used to riding on UK roads having just arrived from Australa.
Ambulance called, the driver just left the scene as my son was cut and very bruised but not dead.
It's this bit about life that I don't like...the living in fear of what each day may bring.
Still, he's alive, though shocked.....and then wondered if he could get the CCTV footage from the police so he can pop a clip onto his Facebook page; The World of Me.
Sorry, just wanted to get it out my system.
If he gets that footage, link me
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It won't be that long before I'm a pensioner, however I have to point out that WW2 ended over 60 years ago. The majority of today's pensioner's will have little memory of the war, they will have been babes in arms at the time. Only the very old will have served during the war.
Those recently retired will have enjoyed a good life (in economic terms) with free college/university education, relatively full employment and less intense working than is typical nowadays. Many will be on Final Salary pensions.
To be honest its the young I have sympathy with. They are paying for the current generation of pensioners, but with the promise (threat?) of not receiving any worthwhile pension themselves. Most decent company pension schemes seem to have closed. Meanwhile the workplace is much more competitive than it used to be and work itself is more intensive than ever (for most people).0 -
Unemployment is the final lagging indicator I've been waiting for. Seeing the jobless figures rise this week has really put a spring in my step. I'm going to be out celebrating this news tonight.
More forced sellers mean lower House Prices.
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