UK Unemployment on the up!

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Generali wrote: »

My feeling is that we're rapidly approaching the point where the welfare budget is simply too big - you can't have a situation where over half the population is living off the work of the rest, it's not tenable.

It's only the top 5% who live off the work of the rest.
Anyway the less people working the better, we really need to cut down on our
energy usage, and people going to work burns a lot of greenhouse gases and pushes
up oil prices.

We need to introduce a 3 day week or something like that.

(not that I will be working an extra three days though).

ianmr65

setmefree2 wrote: »

This is what people used to say in the 70's! Everyone would have tons of leisure time and retire at 50;)

Yeah.. and we'd all have our own personal flying cars, and robots would do all the work!!... The reality is that 2/3rds of the worlds population is living on less than 50p a day.. and we have a much higher proportion of billionaires than ever before..

plus ça change, Plus c'est la meme chose

ianmr65

fc123 wrote: »

Just a abit of anecdotal..the Govt are clamping down on benefit fraud...but properly this time. .

Cost of benefit Fraud 2006 £21 million
Cost of indirect tax fraud £5 Billion or 240 times more
Cost of direct tax evasion £5-£10bn 0r 240 to 480 times more
Cost of welfare provision £200bn or 100,000 times more
Cost of welfare provison(excluding nhs) for the elderly £160bn or 80,000 times more
Cost of entire public expenditure budget £600bn - benefit fraud as a percentage of this : 0.000035 of 1%

Anybody spot the BIG GROUP OF ELEPHANTS IN CORNER NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT!!

Give you a clue, they are grey, vote, there are 10 million of them, and they probably include your mum and dad!!

Still lets crack down on benefit fraudsters instead... they are the main reason that the country is stareing down the barrel of a massive budgetary implosion over the next 50 years!!

slipthru

ianmr65 wrote: »

Cost of benefit Fraud 2006 £21 million
Cost of indirect tax fraud £5 Billion or 240 times more
Cost of direct tax evasion £5-£10bn 0r 240 to 480 times more
Cost of welfare provision £200bn or 100,000 times more
Cost of welfare provison(excluding nhs) for the elderly £160bn or 80,000 times more
Cost of entire public expenditure budget £600bn - benefit fraud as a percentage of this : 0.000035 of 1%

Anybody spot the BIG GROUP OF ELEPHANTS IN CORNER NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT!!

Give you a clue, they are grey, vote, there are 10 million of them, and they probably include your mum and dad!!

Still lets crack down on benefit fraudsters instead... they are the main reason that the country is stareing down the barrel of a massive budgetary implosion over the next 50 years!!

Well when you put it like that. The average working person is getting screwed by all sides.

WTF?_2

ianmr65 wrote: »

Still lets crack down on benefit fraudsters instead... they are the main reason that the country is stareing down the barrel of a massive budgetary implosion over the next 50 years!!

Is the public sector pension commitment included in the welfare provision for the elderly? I don't have figures to hand but the amount is said to be massive.

fc123

I didn't quite understand that post by ianmr65....but reading back the gigantic words....old people on pensions?.
You know what? I have no problem working and paying taxes to support old people at all. What is your problem with old people?

PasturesNew

fc123 wrote: »

I may add, that both are having a bit of a shock at how much rent, council tax etc actually cost plus how many hours one has to do to cover those bills too.

Ha ha. Yes, most of us work full-time just to end up with the same money in our hand that they get (or less!). And they get to watch daytime TV too, not turn out in the dark in mid-winter every morning come rain or snow to drag themselves into work, to not return home until it's well dark again! AND miss any sun/sunny days!

fc123 wrote: »

Everyone needs a safety net but not for the whole of their life....plus working
families are getting fed up with it.

And hard working singles!

PasturesNew

fc123 wrote: »

I didn't quite understand that post by ianmr65....but reading back the gigantic words....old people on pensions?.
You know what? I have no problem working and paying taxes to support old people at all. What is your problem with old people?

I agree with fc123

Old people worked and paid taxes. And they get a fixed pension income with minimum top ups available to other groups.

It'll be a different matter in 30 years' time when there will be old people who have NEVER worked or contributed, but just thought they were owed a living. But this lot went through wars to fight for this country. They all had family/friends/loved ones that died in those wars. They didn't have benefits/top ups available to them when they were younger. There were no schemes or funds, no nice life.

As a group, old people aren't out sitting on walls all day hurling abuse and committing petty crimes like other groups. They aren't drugs dealers or users. They aren't en masse cluttering up the courts/jails using expensive resources. They aren't binge drinking and damaging property on their way home. They aren't out terrorising neighbourhoods and joining gangs. They aren't out knifing people.

They lived through harsh, harsh times to make this country better.

Leave the old people alone.

They're quiet, well behaved and deserve to sit on their 4rse drinking tea all day.

fc123

They are also lucky to be old...it meant they lived and survived.
My son got run over today. He is 21...on a pushbike, on the roundabout at Brighton pier. Somersaluted over the car and then fell into the path of another.
She swerved (which could have been fatal for her but, luckily wasn't) and just missed him.
He fell onto the road, looked up and thought 'F""k, this is it'.

He was on his way to help me in the shop unpacking stock. He was cycling carefully. The driver who hit him explained that he wasn't used to riding on UK roads having just arrived from Australa.
Ambulance called, the driver just left the scene as my son was cut and very bruised but not dead.


It's this bit about life that I don't like...the living in fear of what each day may bring.


Still, he's alive, though shocked.....and then wondered if he could get the CCTV footage from the police so he can pop a clip onto his Facebook page; The World of Me.

Sorry, just wanted to get it out my system.

fc123

PasturesNew wrote: »

Ha ha. Yes, most of us work full-time just to end up with the same money in our hand that they get (or less!). And they get to watch daytime TV too, not turn out in the dark in mid-winter every morning come rain or snow to drag themselves into work, to not return home until it's well dark again! AND miss any sun/sunny days!


And hard working singles!

Sorree...singles are families (of 1) too!!