Council moves chavs into £200k new builds

SingleSue

I do hope that was a tongue in cheek comment.

melancholly

Benefits_Blagger wrote: »

I could have went to an ex-poly and been even lazier and came out with a better grade. Maybe no-one wants a lazy employee, but neither do people want an employee who is hard working but fick as fook who, and is going to make mistakes and cost their employers large amouts of money.

It doesn't matter how easy they make the exam these days, there is a lot of people who are at university who don't deserve to be there. Maybe if we didn't let the amout of morons goto university that there is, there wouldn't be a need for us importing half of poland to serve our coffees.

Anyway role on the recession/depression and the media studies students who are manning our call centres will soon return to their natural place in society, i.e. serving me my coffee.

so since you're posting on this thread again, when was the last time you went to a careers fair and spoke to potential employers about what opportunities there were?! what work experience have you tried to arrange (for free if necessary)? none of this defeatest rubbish please, it will get you no-where! you can sit and whinge about how you really do deserve a job more than other people but you just did a 'hard' degree, or you can go out and get some initiative. at least the media studies student serving you coffee has a work ethic!

monkeybutler_2

@Benefits Blagger

You got a third. Maybe the students you are talking about have got firsts, or 2/1s. Choose what, quit whinging, improve the standard of your written English, nothings quite as funny as watching someone rant about how "fick" some people are whilst their own writing is littered with errors, and sort your world view out. Those people serving you coffee? Why they all probably failed their degrees with thirds and are now making coffee and complaining about their worthless degree being devalued by "all these fick kids going to uni", without realising that actually their degree was of no real value to begin with.

jamescredmond

SingleSue wrote: »

Well if you want nice surroundings, nicely kept gardens and lawns, people who speak nicely and who do not scream at their children in the street then you had better come to my street.

Mind you, it is housing association so you may find that your snobbery does not fit in too well.

If don't want any of the above, then best go to where we used to live where everyone owned their own homes (including us but then we were the only ones with a landscaped garden, no children to shout at and had a decent car)

FYI I claim benefits not by choice but circumstance, I do not see myself as scrounging or believe the world owes me a living and oh...yes I have done my bit too with loads of taxes paid in the 20 odd years that I was able to work before I was hoisted onto the benefits system through no fault of my own and do you know what? I hate it, hate it with a vengeance and the reason why is because of narrow minded people who believe that people who claim benefits are the scourge of society and the ones behind all societies ills.

As I have stated before, there are good and bad no matter where you live, or the social status of the people living there. You can have owners that do not give a damn, the same as you can have council/HA tenants who do not give a damn.

Being a benefit claiment does not make you a bad person, it does not automatically make you a 'chav' (whatever that may be), it does not automatically make you work shy (most of the time you will never know the reasons behind it - maybe someone has become ill or disabled), it does not make you shout at the children, you are just as likely to find owner occupiers shouting at their children as council/HA tenants.

Rant over....for now! :rotfl:

maybe peter101 is just trying a wind-up. or maybe he's talking for a small minority with a serious mrs.bucket mentality.

I've never quite understood why some people refer to state benefits as 'handouts'.

if someone works for years, pays their way, (as you did) then suddenly suffer a setback benefits can hardly be referred to as 'handouts' - something to be had for nothing.

if peter101 had private medical insurance and suddenly needed surgery he would claim, naturally, from his policy.

would anyone call that a 'handout'?

what sickens me is that people still refer to relative poverty in victorian terms.

words such as 'needy' and, of course, 'handouts' are bandied about.

in their little mindset rel. poverty = !!!!lessness/idleness.

there will always be people who milk the benefits system. but it doesn't follow that we should scrap it.

but you're not one of them.

maybe peter101 can't tell the difference........

SingleSue

I think what annoys me more than anything is that a few years ago I would have been joining in the benefits bashing. I was working as was my husband and we did sit there and say " Blooming single (the language was a little stronger than this though!) parent, just sit there and get money paid to them while we have to work hard for our money" and "Why don't they get off their bums and find work, plenty going around" and "Our hard earned taxes are paying for these people to sit around and drink/smoke/party (delete as appropriate) "

Funny how things change and all of a sudden you have to re-evaluate your life and how you see others who are in less ideal circumstances than yourself....it is a great leveller.

Getting off benefits especially as a single parent is not easy, at times it feels like you are swimming against the tide, from employers who don't want to take a chance because you have sole care of the children and may have to leave to pick them up if ill, to the Job centre who tell you not to worry and concentrate on the children (which may be music to some ears but not mine) and thus batter your confidence before you even get started.

But I am a determined type and against everyones advice (including the local education authority!) I have sourced my own course to update my knowledge in IT and have found myself a small volunteer post in the very same special needs nursery 2 of my boys went to who will also put me through all the qualifications needed to work in that sector.

My children and their needs come first but the constant battering of my non working status is taking its toll - I now need to go back to work for my own sanity and self worth even though it may not exactly be the best thing for us as a family unit, not talking financially here, have given up a carers allowance before and returned to work when I was married, in the process actually costing us as a family unit more money in loss of working tax credit and increased fuel usage so any loss of income is not a worry....... my sanity is!

Benefits_Blagger

monkeybutler wrote: »

@Benefits Blagger

You got a third. Maybe the students you are talking about have got firsts, or 2/1s. Choose what, quit whinging, improve the standard of your written English, nothings quite as funny as watching someone rant about how "fick" some people are whilst their own writing is littered with errors, and sort your world view out. Those people serving you coffee? Why they all probably failed their degrees with thirds and are now making coffee and complaining about their worthless degree being devalued by "all these fick kids going to uni", without realising that actually their degree was of no real value to begin with.

as mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread, i have been back to university to do my masters where i got a distinction, while my fellow students with their 1st's and 2:1's got passes. in some cases my mark was 20% or greater than some of these students, which is the difference between a 1st and a 2:2/3rd at undergrad level.

once on a level playing field with these fellow students i proved my worth, so why should i still be punished for my 3rd ? if after a batchelors degree that degree trumps someone with better A-levels, then why shouldnt a better masters mark trump someone with a better degree mark?

simple fact is, that compared to students on my masters course i got superior A-levels, e.g. 3A's (4 if you count general studies), was in a psition to apply to oxbridge (was actually accepted at oxford), the other students were C+D grades with one girl actually having 2E's!!! plus they had the added advantage of taking them much more recently than i did and hence had much easier exams.

so when doing my A-levels and doing my masters and hence taking the SAME exam as other people I have better marks,but those who took a DIFFERENT exam for their degree have a better mark.

I have tried to find work, I even went back to uni to improve my position, but the simple fact is that 3rd has cost me any chance of finding work whereas if i had chosen to go somewhere else (like salford,teesside, manchester met, etc,) I would not be in the position I am.

dannywooly

Peter101 wrote: »

Ok, Ok, I was trying to wind up a bit.

But all the same, I would rather live amongst people similar to me. As would anyone. I dont claim to be better than anyone else. Each to their own.

I fully understand that not all people on benefits are scroungers. Some people really struggle to get on through no fault of their own.

The type of people I detest are the 'Shameless' type. The type of people with no self respect, nor respect for others.

Well said, we live in a nice quiet street, few single 60 year old ladies and a elderly couple, myself and my partner are high earners in 30's, next door has just rented then house to a lower income family with 4 kids, the street has changed instantly. The types that come and go make my gf feel unconformable, the noise level had gone through the roof. I mean this is just not fair they don't fit in so why should they be allowed to live here. The don't care that sitting in their back garden drinking cans of special brew and swearing is rude and not in the sense of the neighborhood.

Not fair at all

wheretheresawill

I too hate the shameless chavs, I think the point people are trying to make is don't judge a book by its cover. Some of us have had a bad bit of luck in life and through necessity need to access social housing or the benefit system - we are in fact the type of people these systems were designed for. I work as well as retraining, I live in social housing because illness screwed up my credit history and career. Not many landlords will touch you with a poor credit history, getting a deposit together for 6 weeks rent is hard when you havent been able to work. You dont have this problem with HA. i also see my choice to live in this accomodation as good financial sense - surely what this website is all about!! It enables me to save for a deposit so that maybe one day I may own my own home. On my road I would say the majority work - albeit on minimum wage and some people really struggle, its quite humbling but I can honestly say that they are some of the kindest people on this estate and will do anything to help (unlike my neighbours on the private road on the same estate who didnt say hello in 3yrs!).
I'm happy to be a privately educated, university graduate middle class HA tenant, so please dont call me a chav and dont assume things about people without actually knowing anything about them

guyrulius

@Benefits Blagger,

If you're having problems with your degree status, why not spend some time swatting up and then doing the external exams at Imperial?

Not to be too personal but from reading your posts, might I suggest you consider a quick brush up on your spelling and grammar?

SingleSue

Peter101 wrote: »

Ok, Ok, I was trying to wind up a bit.

But all the same, I would rather live amongst people similar to me. As would anyone. I dont claim to be better than anyone else. Each to their own.

I fully understand that not all people on benefits are scroungers. Some people really struggle to get on through no fault of their own.

The type of people I detest are the 'Shameless' type. The type of people with no self respect, nor respect for others.

But a very few short years ago I would have been similar to you in 'status', the only thing that has changed is that I am no longer working (and that is not because I don't want to work either) and all of a sudden I am an inferior and uncivilised person. I am still the same person who was working, who was married (ok maybe slightly more bitter and man wary but hey who wouldn't be? :rotfl: ) and was living a fairly comfortable lifestyle .

My ethos is still the same, work is best, kindness is best, crime is a no no and this is passed onto my children.

Hmm


For the record, approx 90% of our street are working full time, the rest are retired, very elderly or disabled.