Hands Up If You Hate Vista!

Bigcammy

I installed Vista as a clean install on a new hard disk and it went very smoothly. All my hardware was recognised and drivers installed cleanly. I then connected my old XP hard disk with all my old documents on it and Vista recognised it and gave me full access to all files.

All in all, so far so good.

I'm now running AVG 8, which seems to work well with Vista too.

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Marvin_the_Martian wrote: »

I guess it is, if you've already had the trial-by-fire of XP64! I on the other hand, didn't have that benefit of experience... All that said, my Vista64 box seems to be working ok now.

That said, I still wouldn't consider putting x64 on a system that has anything in it more than a year old. It'd be a game of russian roulette that's for sure!

blinky

be_alright wrote: »

I disagree

Program and driver developers have had an easy ride with the ease of writing under performing, unstable and poorly developed software/drivers for previous incarnations of Windows. Just look at Creative, two years since the first releases of Vista were going out to manufacturers they still cannot produce drivers to make their cards function correctly on Vista. Microsoft chose to go hardball with Vista to protect the integrity of the stability of the operating system by restricting previously allowed functions to third parties. Doesn't that mean it's hard to develop for, it just that software has to be developed correctly now.

If it's been so hard to develop for, then there would be very few programs/hardware that works which isn't the case. What has been made clear is the difference between good companies and bad ones.

Vista is not suffering, Vistsa is not doomed, Vista is not the new ME.

Stop throwing outdated hardware where the manufacturer has cobbled together some patchy driver as an afterthough to barely make it function with Vista and you'll find it to be as stable, if not more, than any other version of Windows.

Sometimes manufacturers won't produce drivers for old hardware for new Operating Systems. It's partly due to costs involved but sometimes it's to get you the upgrade to the latest version. Creative are notorious for this.

In Vista Microsoft made some major changes to how audio works. Basically everything has to go through to OS rather than directly accessing the hardware. Creative did make this clear in their forums and it was one of the reasons they brought Alchemy out.

A programmer in Brazil did manage to hack many of the applications and drivers for Xp for the Creative cards to bring back most of the functionality. They did try and block him but the backlash they received made them back down.

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blinky wrote: »

In Vista Microsoft made some major changes to how audio works. Basically everything has to go through to OS rather than directly accessing the hardware. Creative did make this clear in their forums and it was one of the reasons they brought Alchemy out.

A programmer in Brazil did manage to hack many of the applications and drivers for Xp for the Creative cards to bring back most of the functionality. They did try and block him but the backlash they received made them back down.

DirectSound was removed in Vista because the DS API was channeled straight through the kernal so any instability between the Game and API would have a direct impact on the stability of the system, also the latency issues that were quite flexibile for sound in XP were taken away with, once again for stability. Alchemy was introduced to take any DirectSound reliant game and emulate this in OpenAL.

I did read about the daniel_k situation, just reinforced my already dim view of Creative.

blinky

I also have a dim view of Creative. There isn't much of a soundcard market left - except for professional or semi-professional cards.

However, with on board sound improving and with the changes in Vista onboard sound is good enough for most situations.

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blinky wrote: »

I also have a dim view of Creative. There isn't much of a soundcard market left - except for professional or semi-professional cards.

However, with on board sound improving and with the changes in Vista onboard sound is good enough for most situations.

Totally. Realtek, which I think are on most motherboards now days, are more than sufficient for everyone until you get onto gaming. Creative always was the gamers choice because of EAX but even now Asus can emulate that and make cards that are much better all round.

Creative have been consistantly poor for at least the last five years and I'm glad to see some competition in the market again.