Linux......Come of age!!!!!

Dread

superscaper wrote: »

Last thing I wanted to do with Linux:
Install on an old spare pc and connect wirelessly or use ethernet to browse the web

I really hope your boss isn't reading this. I did mention in my first post that I had installed Linux, namely Mandriva aka Mandrake and Ubuntu on a couple of laptops over the last few years and had various levels of success. My last real attempt was with version 6.06 of Ubuntu (Ubuntu's policy is to release a new version every 6 months I believe, tomorrow is version 8.04) and I installed it on a 'new' laptop and everything worked except the Broadcom internal WiFi. The laptop was virtually brand new, I installed Ubuntu again 2 weeks age (8.04 beta) and everything worked. Then I installed Mandriva on a Toshiba and everything worked. I don't use the command line so quit bleating about lack of hardware support problems with Linux, it's you that's the problem by all accounts.

superscaper

Dread wrote: »

I really hope your boss isn't reading this.

Again, what's that got to do with anything? 1st I don't have a boss, 2nd how is it related in any way to my work?

I don't use the command line so quit bleating about lack of hardware support problems with Linux, it's you that's the problem by all accounts.

Great it works for your hardware. There isn't the support for mine (in fact among the linux support afaik, noone has got those particular pieces of hardware working). I take that you say it works with yours on face value so why do you have to resort to childish retorts with my experiences?

adouglasmhor

Right that's it, linux is becoming to mainsteam, I'm off to download a BSD derivative .

Everyone should use what they like, if you are interested in linux get hold of a live cd by download or from one of the free distributers and play with it, instal it as dual boot wiith your windows. I have win2000 on an old HD in my ubuntu desktop PC, sometimes need it to make it easy to set up my modem, but on my lappy and all the rest of the time I use ubuntu, At work we are on windows, I use the graphical user interface most of the time in linux anyway, who wants or needs to code all the time, life's too short.

And dont forget what the net is really for http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645

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adouglasmhor wrote: »

And dont forget what the net is really for http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645

Unless that's a video of World of Warcraft, you might be wrong

isofa

I'm with superscaper on this one.

This is turning into a crazy thread, and moving down the route of personal insults, which we've seen recently with new posters.

I really hope my boss is reading this... :rolleyes: hang on I am the boss, and when I'm not in a meeting or busy, I post on the boards.

Dread, just because it's right for you, doesn't mean it's right for everyone else.

And a little while ago, someone posted that people (essentially) find a CLI easier to use than a GUI, certainly for support terms :rotfl:

Everyone has a choice, for everything we buy. Some like Windows for interoperability and common ground with others, some because they don't know of alternatives. Others like Macs and OS X, and some again like Linux - and if it works for them great, but not every solution works for every person, I could not run or live with Linux day-to-day, my company would collapse. And as a home user, very much into digital media, photography and design, OS X and Windows win the day there - but that's just me. Everyone is different.

Some people drive Fords, some Nissans, others BMWs, Mercs etc - it's nice to have a choice isn't it?

danmanchester

Well I love Vista! :money: I really do, been using it since beta days and can't really think of any major or even minor problem that I've had since using it. Apart from wondering where the heck they'd hidden wave/stereo mix, but found it eventually! Maybe I've been lucky..or maybe I just read the instructions !

As for linux, tried a couple of live cd's in the past but I didn't really "click" with them...until last night reading this thread someone mentioned WUBI, I thought I'd give it a try and installed Ubuntu 8.04 and I'm very impressed so far (using it now as I type).

Whether I will be able to use all the software and hardware (Skype/MSN/Printer/Logitech Quickcam/Nero/etc ) I'm used to in Vista on Ubuntu I'm not sure but I'll have a play around with this for a while in a dual boot and see how it goes.

Not going to get into the argument of which is better than the other - they're just different.

wolfman

Antexter wrote: »

Ideally unlike windoze it doesn't have the simple admin priviledges, the main trouble with windows users is users logging in as admin on home computers, with things like kubuntu you physically cannot loggon as root unless you go into recovery mode.

You need admin rights to access system files. You however, don't need any rights to access your own files. So there's nothing to stop your files being deleted, as you're running an account that can access them.


I agree with a few others. Ubuntu is great, but still has work to become usable for the average Joe.

I find it great. I'm a power user though, and enjoy tinkering around with it. My parents however have struggled, despite me forcing them onto it

There are still odd issues. I run it on 5 pc's. And it doesn't run perfectly on any of them, although does come close. Power settings, such as standby and hibernating are two classic examples of when it'll often fail.

My new pc, I built purely around Ubuntu at it works pretty well. Bluetooth can still be tricky, especially as they see to have removed the "hidd" command from Hardy. Same with syncing my phone, or updating my Logitech Harmony remote etc...

But, I still really like it and will continue to use it. And my folks are generally getting on fine, it just takes up a lot of my time making sure everything works and is installed ok for them. Being able to VNC via SSH onto their pc and show them how to do something has been a life saver.

Of all the OS's I think OSX is very well placed. It offers great security, flexibility and is very stable and usable. Basically the better parts of Windows and Linux put together. It does however come at a slight premium because of this, and I (personally) feel it locks you into the "Apple" world a little too much.

Aside from that. If Windows works for you, and there aren't any problems, then there's no real reason to switch unless you're an enthusiast. I use XP Server 2003 at work, and also Vista at home (for .Net development). I really like Vista. It can be a pain in some senses, but it's quite slick and nicely designed. Definitely a pleasant user experience.

wolfman

Oh, and most internet servers don't run Linux.

There's actually quite a mixed split. Flavours of BSD are quite common. And Microsoft servers are still very common.

There's a list, I'll try to find it, of the top 500 bluechips around, and what their sites runs under. The majority were actually IIS. The reason for this is .Net and Microsoft's development platform which is arguably the best thing they've got going at the moment. Their servers are getting better too, IIS scales very well now. I still miss Apache though

D.K.

I'm an average, sadly a very Normal...less techie than Dread and I see the necessary "learning curve" needed with Ubunto.
Very interesting but I just don't have the time or patience.Sorry but for me it'll have to be a bit more user friendly...a bit more Windows perhaps.

Nice screensavers tho'

wolfman

My folks are the same. Windows worked ok for them and they don't have the time to learn Linux. Having pushed them onto it I constantly have to provide phone support and visit home to fix things. It's generally going ok, but they do get stuck with some things.