Private school fees (merged)

devils_advocate

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Originally Posted by meester
Wrong, private schools are run as trusts, nobody makes a profit. No dividends, nothing.

Actually, without wishing to sound rude, you're wrong (at least partly) too! Many private schools are run as non-profit making trusts as you said, but many are not! There are a lot of private schools in this country owned by individuals who run them for their own profit, e.g: in the inspection findings for this school (http://www.isi.net/reports/2005/1119_05.htm) it clearly states:
"Governance and Management
7.1The proprietor of St Margaret’s is also the principal, acting as the managing director of a limited company."

Its worth reiterating that where a private school is run as a limited company, or as a sole proprietiership, it is not a charity andthere are no tax breaks, so it pays full rates, income and corporation taxes etc like any other business.

setmefree2

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And isn't it ironic, bearing the above in mind, that this government is desperate to increase the proportion of state - as against private - school kids going to university ! Parents who are struggling to pay for private school fees may find their offspring being discriminated against for getting a better education when they attempt to get into a high quality university...

IMHO, there is a limit to how much pressure the government can put on Universities in this regard. Most of the UK top universities compete in a global market. They won't have their standards watered down in any way. If the government puts too much pressure on them, they will just "go private". So the top universities will always act to get the best pupils - ie those who can get the best grade of degree. Furthermore, since most companies operate in a global market they actually have little understanding of the vagaries of the British education sysyem. Has anyone considered the IB? Our (state) school is going to offering this next year?

setmefree2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7422192.stm



Thought posters might find this interesting re:Oxford Unis global position.

melbury

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7422192.stm



Thought posters might find this interesting re:Oxford Unis global position.

Good for them, hope they get it and more!

meester

Nenen wrote: »

Actually, without wishing to sound rude, you're wrong (at least partly) too! Many private schools are run as non-profit making trusts as you said, but many are not! There are a lot of private schools in this country owned by individuals who run them for their own profit, e.g: in the inspection findings for this school (http://www.isi.net/reports/2005/1119_05.htm) it clearly states:
"Governance and Management
7.1The proprietor of St Margaret’s is also the principal, acting as the managing director of a limited company."

Chris Woodhead (ex head of Ofsted) has advised private schools to deregister as charities, as the amount of attitude, threats, etc. given to private schoools by Labour MPs/the government outweighs the small savings from being charity. They'd be better off just providing a service to the rich and telling the government where to stick it.

(He is head of a company that owns several schools.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2009816/Professor-Chris-Woodhead,-former-head-of-Ofsted-Private-schools-'wasting-fees-on-frippery'.html

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080531/tuk-attack-on-state-schools-6323e80.html

Ha [FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Why do they care? What's the agenda here? Oh I see - "come and give us all your money in the private sector!" Ha joke on! I actually seen a post on MSE the other day (but it wouldn't be fair to direct you to it) where the poster said that she had "wasted" (their word not mine) £160,000 on private education and were very poor in their old age because of it. Why does this person care what's going on in the State Sector if the private sector is sooooo fab:rolleyes:
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BACKFRMTHEEDGE

meester wrote: »

Chris Woodhead (ex head of Ofsted) has advised private schools to deregister as charities, as the amount of attitude, threats, etc. given to private schoools by Labour MPs/the government outweighs the small savings from being charity. They'd be better off just providing a service to the rich and telling the government where to stick it.

(He is head of a company that owns several schools.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2009816/Professor-Chris-Woodhead,-former-head-of-Ofsted-Private-schools-'wasting-fees-on-frippery'.html

The Rich are wecome to CW he's an a*** anyway. Still stuck in the little England of the 1950's and a snob to boot.

SmileBeHappy

I recently worked in a private school. The summer uniforms cost £400 and the winter uniforms cost £400

The fees were over £3000 but discounts were given to siblings...

I dnt mean to be rude but your kids will be out of place. I had kids tell me they owned cars worth £15k that they drove on their private land, one boys father owned a very nice toy company, and generally all of them are minted... boast about cars, they have all the latest games consoles etc.

And dont tell me kids will lie... they weren't lying, i assure you

neverdespairgirl

Nenen wrote: »

The final way I have heard of discounts being offered is for the children of staff. If there are any jobs going in the school for anything you could do (including teaching, teaching assistant, office, catering and maintenance staff) that might be worth considering although these kind of jobs are often 'dead men's shoes' and the discounts range from 10%-50% (about 25% being the norm for teaching staff I think).
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That happens a lot, I think - my mother taught at the school when my sisters and I were, and she got 15% of each of our fees (she wasn't full-time).

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7451368.stm



Good Riddance:T