Private school fees (merged)

Lunar_Eclipse

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

lol:rotfl:

It's OK to advocate a system that unjustly perpetuates advantage to a large number of rich kids and WE HAVE TO apologise for being rude just because we disagree.:rotfl:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Who exactly is 'we'?

You don't have to do anything. An apology is nice if you have been rude. It has nothing to do with advocating an unjust system.

I can fully understand your negative sentiments towards the private sector. However it comes across as misplaced anger directed at the OP. It has also made me wonder whether you are honestly cross about your perceived perpetuated advantage given to 'rich kids', or the fact that you cannot/will not participate in it?

rumpelstiltskin_2

belfastgal wrote: »

I totally disagree..Have you seen some of the ordinary primary schools ? I dont think so ....so rough....
Do you think all these people with money to spare in educating their children would send their kids to these private schools if they wernt any good ?
I think most people would send their kids to private school if they could afford it .

Some certainly but not all. Here is an outstanding Ofsted for a state primary
http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/pdf/?inspectionNumber=287582&providerCategoryID=4096&fileName=%5C%5Cschool%5C%5C106%5C%5Cs5_106675_20070423.pdf

and one from a satisfactory private school


http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/portal/site/Internet/menuitem.7c7b38b14d870c7bb1890a01637046a0/?urn=106816&providerCategoryID=16384

It's like the generalisation that all faith schools are better. There have been several in special measures here, and one close to me closed down.

Lunar_Eclipse

belfastgal wrote: »

I think most people would send their kids to private school if they could afford it .

I agree. Apart from those with socialist morals that prevent them from doing so.

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

belfastgal wrote: »

If people want to spend their money on Private education. That is up to them.

Hi

Unfortunately, not everyone has money.:o So if you go to Eton you can have your art teacher do your coursework *cough* for you but this option is closed to nearly all of us. People with money buy "themselves" advantage which puts the rest of the kids at a disadvantage - it's just not fair.

setmefree2

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

I agree. Apart from those with socialist morals that prevent them from doing so.

Not true. I know plenty of people who could afford to send their kids to private school who don't and there is nothing wrong with socialist morals, or any other sort of morals for that matter, IMHO. I want my kids to have morals, I don't want them to just be out for themselves.

Lunar_Eclipse

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Hi

Unfortunately, not everyone has money.:o So if you go to Eton you can have your art teacher do your coursework *cough* for you but this option is closed to nearly all of us. People with money buy "themselves" advantage which puts the rest of the kids at a disadvantage - it's just not fair.

It's true. But that's life. And applies to everything, every single day.

Having money is a spectrum. Those who go to Eton are such a minority it's just not worth worrying about. I have no idea what goes on there, but I do know that it's another world for 'those' people regardless of which school they went to.

One person would feel rich earning £20k. Another poor. It's all down to individual expectations and other factors.

And to put things in perspective, no-one in this country is poor.

So give yourself a pat on the back that you're doing the best that you can for your children and count your blessings.

tomstickland

My, my, this has made a few people hot under the collar! It seems to be mainly about assumptions.

The op wouldn't even discuss the fact that her basic premise is flawed "that private education is better than state education - and is therefore worth the money".

Flawed in your opinion. The OP clearly said that in their area they weren't happy with the state schools.

belfastgal

rumpelstiltskin wrote: »

Some certainly but not all. Here is an outstanding Ofsted for a state primary
http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/pdf/?inspectionNumber=287582&providerCategoryID=4096&fileName=%5C%5Cschool%5C%5C106%5C%5Cs5_106675_20070423.pdf

and one from a satisfactory private school


http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/portal/site/Internet/menuitem.7c7b38b14d870c7bb1890a01637046a0/?urn=106816&providerCategoryID=16384

It's like the generalisation that all faith schools are better. There have been several in special measures here, and one close to me closed down.

All very well and good but the commute from Belfast to Doncaster every day would not bode well for my carbon foot print....lol

tomstickland

borntobefree wrote: »

The op seems to have decided "all" state primary schools are inferior to "all" private schools. The truth is that plenty of kids (including my own:D) do very well at state schools and there is plenty of evidence to back this up. Thus, you are probably wasting your money but you don't want to hear this as you are blinded by your own predjudices. I have no objection to people wasting their money, feel free to do so. But don't let your own blind predjudices write off a whole sector of education and insult the intelligence of the rest of us who choose to use this sector as if we somehow can't work out who's getting the inferior product.

You talk about "prejudice" but then end with "if we somehow can't work out who's getting the inferior product".
If the OP hasn't decided that "all" state schools and inferior to "all" private schools then they're not being prejudiced. They are looking at what's available to them locally and making a decision based on what they want.

Lunar_Eclipse

setmefree2 wrote: »

Not true. I know plenty of people who could afford to send their kids to private school who don't and there is nothing wrong with socialist morals, or any other sort of morals for that matter, IMHO. I want my kids to have morals, I don't want them to just be out for themselves.

I wasn't implying that there is anything wrong with socialist morals.

My children are in the state sector, but they are not an experiment or something for us to make political stands about, so personally speaking I wouldn't rule out a whole education option regardless.

But I too have friends who choose not to send their kids privately. Usually though this is because the state option is acceptable. I don't know anyone who would make this choice if the Police were there several times every week and safety was a serious life-threatening concern.