my dog attacked by another - any advice?

foreign_correspondent

taxi97w wrote: »

I can't see that your dog was on a lead. You said your dog was 20 feet in front of you. If yours was off the lead too.....

We are talking at cross purposes here - this is an old thread that has got dragged up again - my last post was referring to gethro's spaniel that was attacked by an akita, i.e. post #62

Rosie75

mafric wrote: »

The other dog owner is not responsible for the bill for your dog. Their dog was on a lead, yours was not and you were not even watching what it was doing. That sounds harsh, but, i own an akita and to me there is nothing worse than a strange dog running straight at mine. She doesnt like other dogs and is always on a lead because of this. I have checked before with the police about this as i wanted to be sure where i stood, as long as mine is on a lead i an NOT responsible if an off leader approaches and they end up scrapping.

If you re-read Gethro's post (which is where this thread is now at) you will see that the akita was not only off the lead, but also not in sight of its owner.

luciequk

gethro wrote: »

I rushed over and could only seperate the dog by kicking the Akita several time and the last time was in the groin he then let my dog go,the owner then appeared around the corned with his wife and young daughter ,i took my dog to the vets and he found 4 punture marks which were cleaned and i now have pain killers and anti biotics and a bill for £60.

You must be joking, if you had kicked my male dog in the groin you would have got a pink hunter welly or two swiftly up your own groin. That is unreasonable force. The control you had your dog under was unreasonable, if it was offlead, it must have recall yeah? So why didn't it come when you called? Neither of you are to blame. But seriously - the kicking, if the guy has any sense he will take that further, I would:mad:

I have 2 large breed dogs and they HATE little dogs running up in their faces, they wouldn't bite, unless provoked. It really winds me up that people let it happen. It would have only taken a simple 'stay' command whilst you were tying your shoelaces to prevent this happening.

Instead of fretting about £60 you want to be hoping that when the other person takes their dog to the vets their bill isn't larger, do you know what damage YOU could have caused?

Check your facts, you don't THINK it was on the lead? Akitas are NOTORIOUSLY kept on lead, a friend had one and they have an uncontrollably high prey drive for wildlife and the like, so I'm not 100% convinced by that statement.

smileypigface

The tussle between the two dogs was already over and Gethro had already separated the dogs in the only way he could by the time the Akita owner appeared round a corner - hence the Akita owner wasn't even in sight of his dog .... could have been a very very long lead though! :rolleyes:

Sublime_2

foreign correspondent, what a lovely little dog. He looks very much like a gorgeous little corgi to me.

I had an incident when walking my rescue staffy, through my local park. There was a big group of teenagers with what looked like a very large staffy, but could have been part pitbull.

This dog wasn't under control, and didn't even have a lead or collar, and it just went for my dog, who rolled on his back submissively. He bit my dogs throat. The teenagers seemed to think it was funny, and started laughing, so I reported the incident to the police. If there hadn't been so many of them (about a dozen) I would've said something.

I never have seen them there again, so it must have worked. It made me feel better anyway.

Rosie75

luciequk wrote: »

Instead of fretting about £60 you want to be hoping that when the other person takes their dog to the vets their bill isn't larger, do you know what damage YOU could have caused?

Check your facts, you don't THINK it was on the lead? Akitas are NOTORIOUSLY kept on lead, a friend had one and they have an uncontrollably high prey drive for wildlife and the like, so I'm not 100% convinced by that statement.

Have I missed something here? Where does Gethro say he "doesn't think" the akita was on a lead. From reading his post, it seems clear that the dog was off the lead, since its owner "appeared from round the corner" after the attack. Agreed that the springer should have been under control, and that both owners are to blame, but in a situation where a dog is being attacked by a more agressive one, what was the owner supposed to do, other than try to separate them? Just let his dog be killed?
Perhaps for the benefit of us posters who aren't very familiar with techniques for separating fighting dogs, you could clarify what would be a suitable means of separation which would not constitute "unreasonable force"? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely interested.

luciequk

foreign_correspondent wrote: »

I dont think the akita was on lead - gethro said:

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To Rosie75:
I presumed it must have been on a Flexi lead?

A kick in the groin is never reasonable, and can cause life-threatening damage. Even a kick, shove in the rump would have been better! I personally have only ever had to seperate 2 big dogs fighting once. I used 'Pet Corrector' spray which scared them both and then made them both drop down to the floor. I always carry it with me for offleaders, THAT is reasonable.

ali-t

pulliptears wrote: »

I have lost count of the times I have had to shout at owners and tell them that their dog could well get a nip and to please call it back. They look at me like it's my fault, when its their dog that's running free!

My situation is similar to yours although it is my staffy who doesn't like other dogs. I have found far too many people who breezily say back 'oh a nip will teach him a lesson'. It is only when I point out that my dog will rip not nip that they take it on board.

Off lead dogs with poor recall are the bane of my life. My rottie is friendly but will bounce up and down to get at dogs when they come near which can make him quite hard to control when I have a snarling staffy wanting to eat other dogs.

I believe that I am being responsible by keeping them on the lead and only allowing controlled off lead play with dogs that I know they are ok with and when there are no other dogs around that would be a distraction or change the dynamics of the play situation. But hey, what would I know - I only train, socialise and do what I feel is the best for my dogs.

TBH I also know it can be a bit intimidating for people to see 2 'devil dogs' off lead and I try to ensure they come across as ambassadors for the breed - or at the very least have a responsible owner with them .

luciequk

ali-t wrote: »

Off lead dogs with poor recall are the bane of my life. My rottie is friendly but will bounce up and down to get at dogs when they come near which can make him quite hard to control when I have a snarling staffy wanting to eat other dogs.

TBH I also know it can be a bit intimidating for people to see 2 'devil dogs' off lead and I try to ensure they come across as ambassadors for the breed - or at the very least have a responsible owner with them .

Don't even get me started on breed stereotypes :rotfl:!

Carry some 'Pet corrector' to spray at the offlead dogs next time, it's small and will fit in your pocket, it's only a noise really but all dogs hate it, it really startles them, some just leg it!

foreign_correspondent

Gethro is new to this forum, has had a frightening experience, and now has an injured dog - I dont think we need to get too heated - it sounds as if it ended up with neither dog sustaining serious injuries, which was a good outcome.

I presume if the owner of the other dog had it on lead, flexi or not, they would have been trying to seperate the two dogs, or would at least be pulling their dog back...

The general advice would be never to try seperating two dogs, as you are likely to get injured.