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bajangal

Leigh73 wrote: »

PS - Any idea what the difference is, between the 'basic' and 'standard' CRB checks?

Teletech requires a Basic disclosure. Any "spent" convictions are not disclosed. The following will help to determine when convictions become "spent".

Relevant Rehabilitation Periods

• Prison for more than two and a half years - Never
• Prison for more than six months but less
• than two and a half years - 10 years*
• Dismissal with disgrace from Her Majesty's service - 10 years*
• A sentence of Borstal training - 7 years
• Prison for six months or less - 7 years*
• Dismissal from Her Majesty's service - 7 years*
• Imprisonment or detention in YOI or youth
• custody for six months or less - 7 years*
• Detention in respect of conviction in service
• disciplinary proceedings - 5 years*
• Fine - 5 years*
• Young offender detention for over six months
• but less than two and a half years - 5 years
• Probation order or community order - 5 years
• Hospital order under Mental Health Act 1983 - 5 years or 2 years after order ceases to have effect, whichever is the longer
• Young offender detention for six months or less - 3 years
• Absolute discharge - 6 months
• Conditional discharge, binding over, care order, supervision order, reception order - 1 year after making of order or 1 year after the order ends, whichever is longer
• Disqualification - Period of disqualification

*Note: These periods are reduced by half if the offender was under eighteen at the date of conviction.
Excluded Sentences

Convictions resulting in the following sentences can never become spent:

• A sentence of imprisonment, youth custody detention in a young offender institution or corrective training, for a term of more than two and a half years.
• A sentence of imprisonment for life
• A sentence of preventative detention
• Detention during Her Majesty's Pleasure or for life or a sentence of custody for life.

New Convictions and Other Principles Affecting Rehabilitation Period
If you are convicted during the rehabilitation period of an offence which can only be tried by a Magistrates’ Court, the new sentence will carry its own rehabilitation period and will not affect the earlier one. If the second offence is more serious and you receive a sentence covered by the ROA, the earlier conviction will become spent only when the later one becomes spent. If a person is given a sentence which can never become spent, this also prevents an earlier unspent conviction from becoming spent.

It is important to note that it is the length of the sentence imposed by the court which is relevant and not, for example, the length of time actually served in prison. A sentence counts in the same way whether you are actually sent to prison or the sentence is suspended.

Where a person receives two or more prison sentences in the course of the same court case, the rehabilitation period depends on whether the sentences are ordered to take effect concurrently - at the same time - or consecutively - one after another. As an example of what is meant by this, if two six-month sentences are concurrent, the offences are treated separately, giving each conviction a rehabilitation period of seven years. However, if the sentence is consecutive, they are treated as a single term of twelve months, with a rehabilitation period of ten years.

bajangal

Leigh73 wrote: »

Hi auddel,

Thanks. So, FireFox sounds like it's fine then. I'll try again in a bit.

specsappeal,

You've confused me a bit!

Are you only applying for a CRB from Scotland 'cos you yourself live in Scotland - ie - I'm in the UK, so I apply to CRB in UK??

OR - Do we ALL apply online directly to CRB Scotland, REGARDLESS of where we live?!

This just seems strange, as I've just spent the last hour or so checking out the CRB site, and it seems you can't apply for the info yourself, but only through the company you're applying to for a job -

http://www.crb.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=289&qid=443

Any pointers as to where I go to get the CRB check done would be most appreciated!

Many Thanks x

You have to apply to
http://www.disclosurescotland.co.uk/
irrespective of where you live. You can apply online (if you have lived at your home address for 12 months or more), or request an application form from them.

Leigh73

Thank You so much bajangal, for such helpful info.

I had 1 conviction of 'In charge of a vehicle / excess alcohol' back in 1997, for which I received a 12 month conditional discharge and a fine = after 5 years (or 1?), I'm presuming that would've been scrubbed, looking at the above info.

I then had a (second conviction) 'Common Assault' charge (I pushed a bouncer :-/ ) in 1998 and another seperate (third conviction) 'Common Assault' charge in 2000, both of which gave me a conditional charge and fine for each.

So even if these were 5 years a piece for the fines, I'm presuming that they would've been scrubbed now anyway.

The last time I was in trouble was in March 2004 when I got issued with a 'Caution' for a 'Drunk and Disorderly' charge (think I got a fine too..), so even though a 'Caution' is issued as soon as it's handed out in a sense, reading this worries me as maybe the fine will still show up (ie - 5 years = not dropping off until 2009) :-/

I cringe writing this down, but it's good to see all of this as my past, and my looking for a new job (and having given up the booze - common theme, with the booze always having landed me in bother) as my future!

I did have a few parking fines in 2004 too, and my first and last speeding (36 in a 30) ticket in 2004 also..will these show up?

Sorry to have gone off-topic somwehat!

Many Thanks again 'bajangal' for such helpful info, as I'd really like to go for this job.

Leigh x

bajangal

The last time I was in trouble was in March 2004 when I got issued with a 'Caution' for a 'Drunk and Disorderly' charge (think I got a fine too..)

I did have a few parking fines in 2004 too, and my first and last speeding (36 in a 30) ticket in 2004 also..will these show up?

It is likely that the above will show up on your Disclosure...but ... so as to double check, I would advise you to send questions via an email to NACRO (National Association for the Care and Resettlement of Offenders)
http://www.nacro.org.uk/
they are very helpful.
I wouldn't worry too much about the parking fine - that is quite standard for most people nowadays!!
Don't despair, go ahead and complete your application with TT.

specsappeal

can i ask where you are getting this information bajangal. The reason i ask is that i know for a fact (and no it isn't me but someone close to me) that a prison sentence of less than 2 and a half years means that it is spent after 3 years. this was also confirmed by NACRO. comes under rehabilitation of offenders. just interested (basically not having a go at you lol) as you seem quite knowledgable about it.

specsappeal

Hi again to all my fellow trainees. well wasn't the start of training funny!! panic stations lol. lots of information tonight that has overloaded (and in some instances bypassed) my brain!

Leigh73

Thanks both bajangal and specs for the info.

I'm surprised that the parking fines would show up though, as they were a 'civil' offence, but there were quite a few of them so I ended up in the Magistrates court sadly..

I'm more worried that the Drunk and Disorderly 'Caution' will show up though..I thought a Caution was spent immediately, however the fine I got looks like it stays on for the 5 years..must check with Nacro!

Are you sure a CRB would show these?

Re the speeding fine, I'd also be very surprised if that came up on a CRB check, although it wasn't 2004, it was late 2006 :-(

As you say 'bajangal', I'm going to try not to worry too much, so wish me Luck in applying for this job!

Kind Regards,

Leigh x

bajangal

specsappeal wrote: »

can i ask where you are getting this information bajangal. The reason i ask is that i know for a fact (and no it isn't me but someone close to me) that a prison sentence of less than 2 and a half years means that it is spent after 3 years. this was also confirmed by NACRO. comes under rehabilitation of offenders. just interested (basically not having a go at you lol) as you seem quite knowledgable about it.

Hi specsappeal: These are the main sites I would recommend to anyone needing info. If you can't open any of the sites let me know:

Home Office:
http://search.homeoffice.gov.uk/search?q=spent+conviction&btnG=SEARCH&entqr=0&ud=1&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&client=default_frontend&proxystylesheet=default_frontend&site=default_collection

A leaflet published by the Home Office "Wiping the Slate Clean" can be viewed here:
www.cumbriaprobation.org.uk/files/publications/document_129.pdf

Here is also another link with info:
http://www.learndirect-advice.co.uk/helpandadvice/exoffenders/disclosure/

bajangal

Leigh73 wrote: »

Thanks both bajangal and specs for the info.

I'm surprised that the parking fines would show up though, as they were a 'civil' offence, but there were quite a few of them so I ended up in the Magistrates court sadly..
As long as you paid the fines, then they shouldn't show up, but as you ended up in Court, then there is a chance. Normal speeding tickets wont show, but a court conviction can show up. even if its not a normally recordable crime, the fact it was dealt with in court can show up.

I'm more worried that the Drunk and Disorderly 'Caution' will show up though..I thought a Caution was spent immediately, however the fine I got looks like it stays on for the 5 years..must check with Nacro!
Technically a Caution does not count as a criminal conviction. Nevertheless it remains on your record for five years and can be used against you if a further offence is committed during that period.

Are you sure a CRB would show these?
No, I didn't say I was sure, and to be honest, it really depends on who does your CRB. Not everything, that should be flagged up, is listed on them.

Re the speeding fine, I'd also be very surprised if that came up on a CRB check, although it wasn't 2004, it was late 2006 :-
As long as you paid the fine, then it shouldn't show up.

bajangal

specsappeal wrote: »

Hi again to all my fellow trainees. well wasn't the start of training funny!! panic stations lol. lots of information tonight that has overloaded (and in some instances bypassed) my brain!

I am glad your training went well, and yes, there is a lot to take in. Just keep taking notes.