TV Licence article Discussion

Zapito

Cornucopia wrote: »

"TVLA" - no such animal.

Oh yeah, TVL, OK.

I thought you had a moral perspective on all of this? It's a strange morality, I would say, that doesn't see lying as wrong.

You are probably right about that. They shouldn't tell outright lies. I guess I was equating "deception" with "trickery" rather than actual lying. But I do take your point.

Zapito

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

Why?

As the licensing authority, the BBC are complicit in the illegal behaviour of their operatives.

Any improprieties that may exist within the BBC should be corrected, I agree.

I do not maintain that the BBC is perfect, indeed I have many issues with it of my own, but I strongly believe that it is a highly worthwhile and valued institution. If you want the support of me and the millions who share my views you will need to recognise that any such support can and will only be given in protection of the reputation of the BBC and for the furtherance of its continued existence.

Zapito

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

Can I take it my "Credibility rating" has been restored?

I would be inclined to allow it is no longer plunging. But as I have been admonished by Cornucopia for indulging in an unauthorised rating system, perhaps that particular vein should be expurgated.

Cornucopia

Zapito wrote: »

You are probably right about that. They shouldn't tell outright lies. I guess I was equating "deception" with "trickery" rather than actual lying. But I do take your point.

It's a slippery slope, unfortunately.

silverwhistle

Zapito wrote: »

Another possibility might be to start invoicing them for your postage, time (at an hourly rate of £50 or so) and trouble. I have heard that can prove quite fruitful.

As someone who has never owned a colour TV I have tried the above, with no success beyond stopping the flow of letters for a decent interval.

Since returning to the UK after a period abroad the letters restarted and continue regularly, but being a stroppy and lazy cow I can't be ar**d to reply, since previous experience proved the futility. Actually, I lie: I did try online but they wanted name/email address/telephone - none of which I was prepared to supply.

They have visited at least once, but although I was in all that day I genuinely didn't hear them to thus have the opportunity of studiously ignoring them..

My front curtains are often open as I'm rarely in my lounge unless I'm listening to radio 3 or 4 (as I'm so much posher and eastablishment than beerleo, on my 12 grand a year). I've no idea whether they have ever looked in, or whether their technique is to drive past looking for lights. They'd be unsuccesful tonight as I'm in the back office typing.:-)

I understand they often visit during the day, so am looking forward to a visit during one of the occcasions I'm splitting wood for my burner. I'm a very mild mannered lady, but I'm sure waving my axe suggestively and putting on my best RP voice will persuade them they aren't coming in.:D

silverwhistle

Ooh, just a thought as Cornucopia seems active tonight..

The football team of which I am a supporter (with a season ticket) along with highlights of the weekend's games seems to have started showing live U-21/18 games on youtube. It's not broadcast to air, so I'd be fascinated to know the legal position on this? :-) [I don't mean how TVL will try and interpret it!].

cw18

silverwhistle wrote: »

Ooh, just a thought as Cornucopia seems active tonight..

The football team of which I am a supporter (with a season ticket) along with highlights of the weekend's games seems to have started showing live U-21/18 games on youtube. It's not broadcast to air, so I'd be fascinated to know the legal position on this? :-) [I don't mean how TVL will try and interpret it!].

I suspect the answer will be yes you need - based on the Q&A part of their website which says

Do I need a TV Licence to watch live TV online?

If you watch live TV online – e.g. through BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, Channel 4 Watch Live, Sky Go, Virgin Media, BT Vision, Apple TV, Now TV, YouTube, Roku and Amazon Instant Video – you need a TV Licence.

enfield_freddy

however it is not LIVE TV , think about it , its not supplied by cable , ariel or dish it is just a live video that can be viewed by selected people.


if you are saying a licence is needed then every vid conference call , or even skype would req a licence.


in the case of the football , no TV company is distributing it , youtube is acting as a host to forward it

silverwhistle

Yes, but it's not "live TV" as it isn't available for viewing through a broadcast and a television: you specifically need to use a PC and Youtube and there is no alternative.

I certainly wouldn't rely on their Q&A, and I think it's a point Cornucopia has made before about the absence of clarity in the legal position and in the definitions which TVL interpret to their own advantage. I'm sure the legislators didn't envisage some of these interpretations, particularly with the technical changes since the laws were drafted.

cw18

I'd like to think it was a 'no', but I prefer to proceed with extreme caution whenever their website seems to be ambiguous.