TV Licence article Discussion

Cornucopia

To reiterate what I said: they say 2 hours (from the original start time) but it has no basis in law.

Therefore ignore it at your discretion. I would probably leave 5-10 minutes, in practice.

Obviously, what the law is getting at is *how* the programme is delivered, but that isn't how it's written, and it's increasingly irrelevant, anyway.

deadhandle

I just tried it on my main PC (that i don't usually use for TV) and a notice showed saying you need a licence to watch "while the program is being broadcast".
But on my living room PC, the message doesn't show.
And it doesn't show when i tried it a second time on my main PC.

Whatever, I wont risk it for the delights of watching "escape to the Country" :rotfl:

I would think its a safe bet to watch after the programs ended

I suppose it has to be proved in Court..

enfield_freddy

Cornucopia wrote: »

To reiterate what I said: they say 2 hours (from the original start time) but it has no basis in law.

Therefore ignore it at your discretion. I would probably leave 5-10 minutes, in practice.

Obviously, what the law is getting at is *how* the programme is delivered, but that isn't how it's written, and it's increasingly irrelevant, anyway.

but why have 2 hrs , 30 mins or whatever , I can get the terrestrial channels on my media player using XBMC , with about 1 min delay , is one min not long enough?


I "think" that after previous discussions on this and other forums , someone quoted that the programme must have ended to be classified as catchup.


that makes more sense than 1/2hr 10 mins or 1 min to me

Cornucopia

The issue is (and yes, it is ridiculous) that the TVL staff are more likely to be armed with a Radio Times than a "TV Detector" (whatever that is).

Therefore, should they see or hear Eastenders, at a time when Eastenders is scheduled, it might pique their interest.

TVL specify 2 hours as a safety margin for all of that.

Don't shoot the messenger.

enfield_freddy

hang on , thank god they don,t have the schedule for top gear , or any programmes on dave , the same programs are shown 10 times a day!

deadhandle

The whole tone of the system seems to be they will say anything to intimidate people into thinking it's compulsory to buy a licence if you have a TV or computer.

From the RED letters to Threats to send "officers to investigate for evidence" and court orders to gain access.

I have TV equipment.. but it's not compulsory to watch Live TV..
and I choose not to.. But they mix live and catchup on the same system and are not clear about what is legal.

castle96

Interesting thread, but still not sure if you could 'get away' with no licence....

Have just bought a smart TV (so they have my address)
Just got licence renewal
I have a sky dish and 'ordinary' ariel virtually over the front door.

My answer would be (when the friendly man comes, after all the threatening letters) ....

"I only use the TV for gaming, computer moniter and catch up TV"

As I don't let the guy in, and their van (if there is one), either cannot detect a live signal, or they would not use the evidence in court, they would be none the wiser (true ??)

I will of course be watching live TV

castle96

"You can have a lot of fun with a TV licensing 'Goon' but if they show up with Police in attendance & holding a search warrant . . . DO NOT . . . refuse them entry."

How likey is this then ? Presumably after loads of letters and visits. Our local paper shows a dozen people fined for no licence.
If they have no been daft enough to admit anything, or allow anyone in, how else could they be proven guilty ?
They must ? have admitted their guilt...

Cornucopia

castle96 wrote: »

Interesting thread, but still not sure if you could 'get away' with no licence....

If you mean get away with not legally requiring a licence, then there's no issue with that (other than the BBC doesn't like it). I have been lawfully without a licence since the Newsnight/Savile scandal - that was the final straw.

Have just bought a smart TV (so they have my address)

They don't have your address - there is no dealer notification any more.

I will of course be watching live TV

Please don't do this - how hard is it to just watch catch-up (and therefore not break the law).

The law is almost certainly going to change over the next couple of years, anyway.

Cornucopia

castle96 wrote: »

"You can have a lot of fun with a TV licensing 'Goon' but if they show up with Police in attendance & holding a search warrant . . . DO NOT . . . refuse them entry."

How likey is this then ?

There are no Search Warrants in Scotland, they have already decriminalised the offence.

In the rest of the UK, you are about 350 times more likely to be burgled than to receive a TVL warrant visit.

They must ? have admitted their guilt...

Yes, most TVL defendants have participated in the completion of a confession statement posing as a questionnaire. This document is called a TVL178.

Whether those people did so after having their rights explained, the consequences explained, and still exercised informed consent without any form of coercion... is highly questionable.