So what is BTL? Finders Keepers?

lavandergirl_2

Nurses are ethically and legally obliged.

Nurses Code of Conduct says that.

There are firemen and nurses abused by some members of the public (been shouted at, kicked, slapped, punched.. and this is true)

Jonbvn

SquatNow wrote: »

A landlords job is not to own real estate, it is to harrass people into paying him for access to that real estate. If you push a landlord in front of a train, the real estate doesn't suddenly vapourise, but he will stop hassling you. Land would continue to exist if no-one owned it any more.

If we all started pushing landlords in front of trains, they would stop harrassing us, but society would be no worse off as nothing would have been lost.

Incitement to commit murder, even on a message board is completely unacceptable. Therefore your post has been reported.

IveSeenTheLight

I thought this was a bumped post.
I've read a similar fictional (non) story from squatnow before.
Let it slide or read the last post

Jorgan_2

SquatNow wrote: »

And if by him making a profit it forces people to sleep on the streets, that's OK?

Its a business, so therefore I expect it to make money. According to your reasoning I shouldn't have to pay my mortgage, the mortgage company should house me free of charge.

Do you work in the private sector? Go and ask your employer what would happen if they didn't make a profit. Answer-many more people on the streets.

VFR-Rider

SquatNow wrote: »

Anyway, the question is simple: Is the nurse ethically required to treat someone who forced her to pay him in order that she not freeze to death in the street.

Yes. This is what she is paid for and what the BTL'ers taxes pay for.
He is not paid to stop her freezing (or dying as your example appears to lead to), he is simply paid as she wishes to make use of his possession.

This is all rather silly, the kids would no doubt want to live in the fire engine.

carpetbelly

SquatNow wrote: »

The ethical question is this:
Given that the scruffy man was happy to put make the family spend the night on the street and possibly freeze to death, if he went to hospital should the nurse treat him? If he crashes his porche into a tree, should the fireman cut him out or leave him to die.

Was he happy about this?

Your story seemed to imply the scruffy fellow was rather nonchalant about the whole affair. So to imply he was happy to allow a family to spend the night on the street seems contradictory.

At the end of the day, lettings are a business. If the scruffy fellow wishes to allow people to use his properties at a certain rate only then so be it. People either agree to use these facilities or they have to walk away. That is how your story has painted the society you seem to feel we could end up living in or even currently live in.

You miss an awful lot of other variables in your story if you're trying to make it close to real life. If you're not then your ethical question doesn't stand up. I mean, how about another vagrant man in the next street down who's willing to negotiate as he has a street full of properties but has to make the payments on them so is willing to take tennants that at least give him some income from the property rather than the properties sitting there empty making him no money as HPI as stalled.

Also, how many nurses and firemen do you know? I know plenty of nurses (I'd say I'm lucky ) and yes, some have been assaulted in their time and still have done their jobs professionally. Even my mother works as a radiographer and got assulted while trying to carry out her job in A&E on a mobile x-ray machine and she still done her job. These people are paid for by the state and in the majority of the cases are very professional people who do what they can.

Maybe you should try writing a novel, you do write very well SN but some of your ideas though you seem to try to make them apply to real life you miss out to many other variables.

Kaz2904

SquatNow wrote: »

I should add that both Legally and Ethically a nurse has no obligation to treat a patient if she beleaves to do so would be against her best interests or moral values.

The hipocratic oath says "do no harm" not "heal people".

She would be quite within her rights to refuse to treat him, tell another nurse and walk away. It actually does happen sometimes.

Of course, if all the nurses did it that the man would die.

Nurses aren't bound by the hypocratic oath. We are bound by the NMC code of conduct. We are responsible for our Acts and Omissions.
A nurse has a duty of care to the general public. Once she holds a pin number and is registered by the NMC she has a duty of care to anyone whether she agrees with it or not.

I would suggest that you get your facts straight before you start posing ethical dilemmas such as this.
Would you feel this way if it was a hotel that demanded money before they allowed people to stay the night?

SquatNow

Jonbvn wrote: »

Incitement to commit murder, even on a message board is completely unacceptable. Therefore your post has been reported.

Appologies if you think I was inciting people to kill landlords, that was not my intention yet. What I was trying to highlight was that the landlord is NOT DOING ANYTHING apart from demanding money for access to something that has always existed... land.

The Nurse isn't being paid for allowing the man into the hospital, she's being paid for treating him.

Noz

One of the strangest questions I think I've seen on MSE, and that's saying something

PasturesNew

SquatNow wrote: »

I have to pay my rent whether I'm home or not.

Yes, but there's somebody at your home. I mean, there'll be the homeless person/people there that you've let use your place while you're away.

Whether that's just because you're at work all day so they come in during the day and have a sleep. Or for a week or so if you're ever on a holiday.

So it's never empty is it.