So what is BTL? Finders Keepers?

PasturesNew

SquatNow wrote: »

The ultimate question I'm trying to get to here, is:
If the nurse is ethically required to treat him whether he pays her half his wealth or not, surely a landlord is required to house a homeless person, whether then pay the landlord half their wealth or not?

Would the nurse do it theically if she were paying for the building she were treating him in, the drugs, the staff, the machines?

subjecttocontract

SquatNow wrote: »

And if by him making a profit it forces people to sleep on the streets, that's OK?

Yes!:cool:

There will always be people sleeping on the streets.

PasturesNew

SquatNow wrote: »

But surely she's entitled to ask the man to sign over half of his wealth.

If he refuses to then surely that was his decision to refuse to be treated?

But he's already paid. In taxes.

Eyesparky

SquatNow wrote: »

Incorrect... he doesn't pay HER directly... a very small portion of his money will go towards her wages.

So here we have it. We all pay the Government all our money and they distribute all the resources perfectly efficiently and we all live in utopia. We will all be motivated by joy of work and the warm fuzzy feeling that everyone is exactly the same whether they contribute or not. Happy days.

... this has been tried a few times before and been found a tad lacking. I am sure when the day comes again you will happily help run things and after all the nasty, evil capitalists have been burned you will happily help yourself to their nice big houses.

epz_2

i think we are missing the obvious solution here, fireman goes and gets a bucket of petrol throws it over the tramp and say "you will have to give me that house or i woulnt put out the fire"

if the tramp is slow and asks what fire light them up!


its a common misconseption that violence never solves anything, with enough force anythng is possible, i could fix iraq, iran and abait peak oil with a handfull of nukes lol.

SquatNow

subjecttocontract wrote: »

Yes!:cool:

There will always be people sleeping on the streets.

There wouldn't be if the landlords with empty houses chose to house them.

But they don't.

SquatNow

I should add that both Legally and Ethically a nurse has no obligation to treat a patient if she beleaves to do so would be against her best interests or moral values.

The hipocratic oath says "do no harm" not "heal people".

She would be quite within her rights to refuse to treat him, tell another nurse and walk away. It actually does happen sometimes.

Of course, if all the nurses did it that the man would die.

Eyesparky

SquatNow wrote: »

I should add that both Legally and Ethically a nurse has no obligation to treat a patient if she beleaves to do so would be against her best interests or moral values.

The hipocratic oath says "do no harm" not "heal people".

She would be quite within her rights to refuse to treat him, tell another nurse and walk away. It actually does happen sometimes.

Of course, if all the nurses did it that the man would die.

Or find a doctor with some semblance of professionalism.

subjecttocontract

SquatNow wrote: »

There wouldn't be if the landlords with empty houses chose to house them.

But they don't.

Well of course they don't......the people sleeping on the streets can't produce the rent, a deposit, suitable references or a gaurantor.

But there are plenty who can..... and do ......and are happy with their lot.

I'm not running a charity ......I'm running a business.

SquatNow

Eyesparky wrote: »

Or find a doctor with some semblance of professionalism.

Refusing to treat him on moral grounds is not unprofessional.

This fact is laid down in stone in the nurses "handbook" as it were.

Given that he'd forced her to hand over half of her wealth to him for the right to live, I imagine she'de have pretty strong feelings over it.

Imagine a sliding Scale:

• Man Murdered her Mother
• Man Raped Her
• Man Beat Her Up
• Man Robbed Her
• Man forced her to give him half her Money

Where on that scale would she fairly be able to refuse to treat him?